Triple exhaust ports and what they are.

[Awk08]

agreed 100%, guilty as charged,
i just looked in the mirror and heres what i saw..........
\/\/ awk swingin from them huge irish balls ken has,

why do you take offense to that, and all so serious, a few of us are impressed with kens work, and freely promote him, have you ever even rode a KOR bike ???? that you can make that statement ???? or you just swingin from freeks nads, cause thats what he says ??
i made up my own mind as to who works on my stuff. not someone else.
i've ridden both of dualstroke's flotek bikes, and can honestly give a ride report, but choose not to, out of respect for denny and his work
lets just say, at busco in the wide open, wot 6th gear, dually and i were side by side, thats how we crashed,
i have nuthin against any of you flotekers, and have said time and time again that denny is an awesome dude in person, and builds awesome motors, why cant you do the same and give ken the same respect, instead of all this biased, subtle bullshit and growing dislike for me because i promote my good freind < yeah, not just my builder, we talk a few times a week, and spent weekends riding, and have plans to do so again this year, here and in conneticut, sumthin very few of you will ever get to do with any of the other builders, call denny tonite and see if you can come spend the weekend riding next week ????? bet i can call ken and he'll have the beer cold and staeks on the grill, so this goes way deeper than you'll ever understand

this is over bro, i have more respect for you and denny than continue this subtle bashing of each other because of our builder choice, and that i decide to do it in the woods, and you prefer 300ft of groomed track, i'm sure you'll continue, as you have been doing, < yeah i've noticed everyone of them, but it's all good, have fun, i'll be "omg...thats hilarious" right along with ya from now on

peace

 

[Awk08]

oh and btw, ken did not change his porting after seeing dennys work, he's been doing this for 35+ years, while denny was still riding a honda 50

 

[blasterdemon7]

Props to you awk. You handled that like a gentalman .

 

[blasterdemon7]

The way I feel about picking a porter is to just pull a name out of a hat. Almost everyone says there porter is the best and there's no real proof on paper that one guy is better then another. I would like to deside for myself with research but there is not really anything to research other then peoples opinion. I have yet to mind any proof of one being better then the other. This is not including Kennedy. I know I would not use him because of my own experience with talking to him.

 

[99LRDblaster]

The way I feel about picking a porter is to just pull a name out of a hat. Almost everyone says there porter is the best and there's no real proof on paper that one guy is better then another. I would like to deside for myself with research but there is not really anything to research other then peoples opinion. I have yet to mind any proof of one being better then the other. This is not including Kennedy. I know I would not use him because of my own experience with talking to him.

Touche. I personally hate the biased homerism towards the people that do engine work. On top of that, each individual builds are different.

I'd really love to test every setup around on a dyno, but I'm not really interested in flushing $$$ down the drain at the moment......I would do it too.....and still might do it. A lot of other communities do this all the time and have the forum community contribute $$$ to test this with builder, mods, and pipe shootouts on a dyno where they separate the bullshit from the facts. Unfortunately for the Blaster community, it's more low budget and I haven't seen a dyno shootout since the old ass Dirtwheels pipe shootout and a couple dyno comparisons back in the BlasterHQs day.

 

[blasterdemon7]

Touche. I personally hate the biased homerism towards the people that do engine work. On top of that, each individual builds are different.

I'd really love to test every setup around on a dyno, but I'm not really interested in flushing $$$ down the drain at the moment......I would do it too.....and still might do it. A lot of other communities do this all the time and have the forum community contribute $$$ to test this with builder, mods, and pipe shootouts on a dyno where they separate the bullshit from the facts. Unfortunately for the Blaster community, it's more low budget and I haven't seen a dyno shootout since the old ass Dirtwheels pipe shootout and a couple dyno comparisons back in the BlasterHQs day.

Sorry. I forgot that you where a member of YB's Anus Kennnedy fan club.

 

[99LRDblaster]

Sorry. I forgot that you where a member of YB's Anus Kennnedy fan club.

I'm not a member of anybody's club. I:I

 

[little3mil]

ok here it is.. i am honestly not impressed with kens work at all, yeah he can make power (because he copied floteks specs) and he is a asset to the forum but i dont belive he is gods gift to blasters like lots of guys do... and you talk about people nuthugging??? take a look in the mirror yo....

I:I thank you for clearing that up noobs

oh and btw, ken did not change his porting after seeing dennys work, he's been doing this for 35+ years, while denny was still riding a honda 50

look, im not trying to start sh*t with ANYONE here, if you want to say something to me please PM it as this thread is already just a big pissing contest

if you guys want to know the short story 442 got a trail port from Flotek a while back, not even a month later sent the ported jug to ken so he can see dennys work first hand hmmm... not to mention building a "10 thousand dollar blaster" just to part it out before he even starts it!?!? wtf he did not even ride it once after all that talk up and hype, no videos from either, just hype. which really let alot of people on here down including myself, i dont care who built it, if it moves LETS SEE IT!!! and then all the parts end up on here in for sale for more than they cost new...? just weird

AWK please dont attack me were cool bro but this is just how i feel, "call it like you see it" isnt that your motto, this is how we see it

 

[Awk08]

I:I
AWK please dont attack me were cool bro but this is just how i feel, "call it like you see it" isnt that your motto, this is how we see it

James, how did you even involve yourself in this ??????
my post above was posted as you were posting yours, not after i saw your post, sorry for the confusion
and i, by no means, beat around the bush, with anyone, like has been going on with shots at me, for promoting my builder and freind,
which mean nothing to me btw
and yes we are cool, and plan on staying that way, if you construed any of this as a shot at you, it was not

your beef with 442 is just that, i have nuthin to do with him. period.
and the way i understand the flotek motor passing thru the oconnor shop, is......442 sold it to one of the canadian bro's, and he decided to have ken bore it, and of course he saw denny's work, but personally told me, he did not adjust any of his porting to denny's specs, nor the kennedy, wildcard, arisal, ct or la sleeve ported motors that have also passed thru kens shop, it's nothing he hasnt seen before
ken as i understand it, has complete confidence in his own porting designs as with all of his work,
i highly doubt theres very much ken hasn't already seen in his 35+ years of doing this, as a business, and a blaster isnt some alien motor but more the simplest 2 stroke design out there, and porting them isn't rocket science

 

[slickerthanyou]

Oh my God, not another thread down the tubes! I guess i'll join in! Seems like there is still tension here, Ok everybody get on there Blasty and go for a long hard Rip! Why are we still on this "my Builder" v/s "your builder" sh*t? We got rid of the snake man for the most part, and have REAL Builders with no bullshit on here now.

I don't beleive anybody Copied anyone's work, every builder does his thing, some things are similar an some not. People choose to go to a builder for whatever reason, be it loyalty, commitment, friendship, quality, power, price, reputation.

If a person has a Flotek motor then decides to give Oconner a try, to see if he can improve it or whatever why is that bad? Or if someone has Kens motor then decides to give Denny a try to see if he can improve or whatever- so what. I seen alot of each builders works and love it all, they all rip, and make madd power. I like Ken Oconner he has treated me well and helped me alot being newer to this sport. I CHOOSE to use him because I like what he does and how nice of a person he is. I have never met any other builder yet, would like to, hell I'd like to meet every single member if i could, but probably won't happen.

I think alot of tension is because Ken has taken alot of Blaster work over, due to great repore, and some guys get pissed. I don't let that bother me. That's like saying Chevy is better than ford, better than dodge, or vise -versa. Crazy i tell ya.

My last thought is I bet the builders don't even care, if they recieve another builders motor, they are just gonna do there thing to it and get it back to us cause that's what we are paying for!

 

[N8tsNastyBlasty]

so back to the triple porting thread. . . . . . . last night me and my bro rubbersalt tryed our hand at welding aluminum with my mig and argon! we built up his boysens on the outside of the intake and we are going to try the same on the triples!!!!

oh and my favorite builder is me .lol

i like both the above builders ,but denny inspired my triples on this thread!!

 

[sicivicdude]

I'm actually quite curious about something flotek himself said earlier in this thread.

He said it takes him 12 hours to cut triples into a cylinder. I can tell from the pictures of his triple ports that he cleans the ever loving crap out of them (squares them off a bit instead of being just round and really cleans out that exhaust port to blend it perfectly.

But n8t had half of the ports connected in 8 minutes... using tools flotek probably doens't even allow inside his shop... Something sounds fishy with this "12 hour" claim, maybe he meant 12 hours to port an entire cylinder including sleep for the night?

I think with a right angle handpiece on a foredom die grinder one could have ports cut and blended within the hour including bit changes and stopping to take a leak (to piss excellence of course).

Back to the thread.... How did the buildup operation go? Lots of splatter? How did the welding wire take to the cast aluminum?

 

[Spywell]

I'm actually quite curious about something flotek himself said earlier in this thread.

He said it takes him 12 hours to cut triples into a cylinder. I can tell from the pictures of his triple ports that he cleans the ever loving crap out of them (squares them off a bit instead of being just round and really cleans out that exhaust port to blend it perfectly.

But n8t had half of the ports connected in 8 minutes... using tools flotek probably doens't even allow inside his shop... Something sounds fishy with this "12 hour" claim, maybe he meant 12 hours to port an entire cylinder including sleep for the night?

I think with a right angle handpiece on a foredom die grinder one could have ports cut and blended within the hour including bit changes and stopping to take a leak (to piss excellence of course).

Back to the thread.... How did the buildup operation go? Lots of splatter? How did the welding wire take to the cast aluminum?

It takes a lot more time than it looks, I spent 11 hours on mine and didn't even do triples. Nathan and.. lol Rubber, spend countless hours on their cylinders, more than twelve hours I assure you.

 

[sicivicdude]

I'm sure the work takes longer than just what was taped for the video but I don't see it taking that long for just the triple ports.

 

[Paulie B]

Whoever said pick a portman out of a hat HA keep thinking that lol
Give credit where credit is due based on experience, knowledge, and winnings period.
Why winnings? Because any savy guy can buy tools, learn how to use them and copy somebody else's work, credit the original one who came up with the magical numbers.
Hell even character comes into play.
Also realise it's up to you to put it all back together and tune correctly.
^^ This is the most important part and others need to take this in account when they read random stuff on the Internet that goes something like "so and so ported my cylinder and now it blew up, or don't run right"

This isn't a shot at anyone or to give anyone a shot and it goes for all 2 stroke porting cause I see the same sh*tz on the HPI Baja Forum all the time.

Now back to the title of the thread BF'ers I:I

 

[Spywell]

I'm sure the work takes longer than just what was taped for the video but I don't see it taking that long for just the triple ports.

Well sure they connected two little holes but you can only step the holes up so much. After you have connected the holes how easy is it to open them up knowing that you are also dealing with the sleeve. To make matters worse, behind the sleeve you are really restricted in that tiny exhaust port. It's most definately not as easy as it looks, just connecting two little holes isn't going to accomplish anything. One thing that's for sure however, it's really smart to bury that green grinding bit into it. I will have to use that technique with my transfers!

 

[N8tsNastyBlasty]

I always give my credit to those who truly inspired me. earlier post show luv for the 2 who convinced me it was the worth trying.

i spend countless hours porting, researching , and trying different methods. I work with what i have and figure most of it out on my own through trial and error.when i developed the way i drill triples it was just my own logic but the idea was obviously someone elses.

the research i did on using my h.f. dual mig 151 for aluminum wasnt promising. even the manufactuer didnt advise it. only one guy said it was no problem. I had to rig the argon bottle to the hose on the welder and open the tip up slightly with a drill. after about 5mins of playing with speed and amperage we layed some amazingly nice beads. My bro gabes only problem on build up was adding too much material! aslong as u push the bead and have plenty of argon it works great on the jug!!

 

[Spywell]

My bro gabes

Guess I don't have to call him RubberSalt anymore lol.

Real quick though, now that you guys are adding extra material, just how much more are you going to open up the boyesens and the triples?

Also I think it would do everyone well if you shared tips on how to open up those tight ports!

Also have Gabe explain the difference between a rounded exhaust and a squared exhaust, that's a beneficial performance mod that everyone can do!

Any considerations on (even) larger reed cages now?

 

[hudack]

i tell ya, you flotek boys with your subtle shots and inside jokes..............

i wouldnt laugh too hard at that, cause the only time i saw you at my ride was at camp, or the one time i decided to see who was bringin up the rear, and it wasnt hudak

now why am i geting invovled in this lmao

 

[OConnor Racing]

I ported a 2011 KX 65, KX 85 and KX100 today while all of this was going on and came home to this. Not how I like to come home. What the hell are you guys doing? My builder is this and mine is that. This kind of attitude is counterproductive to what this forum is all about. We're all here to help each other, give advice and solve problems. I've seen cylinders from all of the builders and I changed nothing based on what I saw. I like what I do and my customers like it as well. 442 sent me a motor to rebuild for one of his customers in Canada. Did I look at it? Yup. Did I map it?Yup. I've been doing this stuff for over 35 years and I don't need to copy anything! Who the hell did I copy when I ported the KX cylinders today? I've got a set of 1976 Kawasaki 750 cylinders in the shop for porting and head work. Where did I get the numbers for this? It's very simple. I figure it out. If you want to send your work to Denny, please do. He does great work. If you want a dyno sheet with big numbers, go to Kennedy. I recommended him to a potential customer today. If you want me to do your cylinder, ship it. Seems like the general consensus among some of you is that I copied someone's work to build a Blaster cylinder. Get a clue boys! This is not rocket science and the cylinders I get for a bore job with home porting will prove that. This forum is really starting to turn into a pissing match between some of you. The best advice I can give is to KNOCK IT OFF. We're all brothers and when we start fighting amongst ourselves, we just look like a bunch of jerks. Remember, this is the internet and everyone can see us with our pants down. This stuff just looks like crap. You have many choices when choosing a builder to port your cylinder. All of them are good. Send E-mail, call and make you're choice based on what you hear.

Thanks
Ken