Spindles, Blaster/Banshee

[Larry's Shee]

Geometrically speaking are they the same? In other words IF I could directly swap them would the caster/camber be the same? Have read Blaner's and Civicdude's threads on their fab jobs, both of which were excellent!! I:I So this all has got me thinking of doing something to the front end, making my own arms not using any adjustments or maybe putting adjustable joint at the top. Not flaming Civic, just that I have a pair of spindles for the start of hydros and better suspension.I must be reading to much on the forums cause it's got me thinking (to much) of lot's of different things,lol. Plus by reading Blaner's thread I think I've figured out why the YFZ arms don't work well on the Banshee, will have to do some measuring to confirm this,lol. Appologies to Blaner, I had spelt it Blaney, my bad.

 

[Awk08]

the only difference i know between the shee and blaster spindles are the pinch style bolt ball joint on top of the blaster spindle versus a bolt thru castle nut style on the shee
to use shee spindles with blaster ball joints, the top ball mount of the shee spindle must be reamed and drilled to accept a blaster ball joint and pinch bolt
making them weak in my opinion, but they have been used with no adjustment needed, so the camber/castor must be the same
but nothin like a set of norman420 blaster spindles that accept the disc brakes

 

[Blaner]

the banshee spindles are also longer, ie the shaft that the drum/disk rotates on with the castle nut on the end. Hence it will give more unsprung mass i think? as the wheel will now be further out from the ball joint. As Awk said, the ball joint holes are different and can be machined out but i wouldnt go that route hey..

Dont stress about the spelling dude and thanks for the compliments!

 

[79 bronco]

Pics of the Banshee VS Blaster spindles..

I did not put the shee spindles on my blaster.. Just look at them, i dont like the difference, it can't be right.. The 1st and 2nd pics the blaster spindle is on the left, and the 3rd pic the blaster spindle is on the right with my pattern i used to make my blaster spindles in to hydros...

 

[Awk08]

good stuff 79, i didnt know you made the flange too
i have 2 sets of normans

 

[Larry's Shee]

Thanks for the replys I:I Thanks for the pics Bronco !! Also found this, guess I shoulda searched :-[ http://www.blasterforum.com/suspension-14/burgard-2-1-arms-banshee-spindles-35784/. When the time comes I'll just have to do some more planning and mesuring.

 

[sicivicdude]

If I had seen this before I could have chimed in. I did like 79 while planning my arm project and looked at the banshee hubs for a comparison.

The banshee hubs are similar (as pictured) but there are some differences, the upper ball joint mount is different (as mentioned) but also ~ 1/2" shorter than the blaster upper ball joint mount. I'm not sure if that's because yamaha designed in room for the pinch bolt upper joint or what. The 1/2" shouldn't make much difference in the final calculations. If you make a set of arms, you'll have to add 1/32" to the length of the upper to compensate (or something silly like that).

The tie rod (pitman arm? on a quad) mounting location looks WAY different on the banshee but if you hold them up against each other, you'll notice they're made different but the mounting hole is backwards too. The blaster tie rod goes on top of the spindle arm, the banshee tie rod goes under the spindle arm. Mounted, they actually pass through nearly the same plane (for bumpsteer purposes) so the changes should be neglegible. The banshee tie rod mounting point is a little farther out (away from the center line of the ball joints) which will decrease the turning radius some but also decrease the turning effort some too. It's a trade-off... Although, 79, your second picture is deceiving. There is webbing on the back of the banshee hub which is sitting on the 2"x4" and the blaster hub doesn't have that webbing so it's sitting flat. The result is the tie rod mounting locations look WILDLY different when they're not quite that different. The third picture is more like the difference, you can see the tie rod mounting locations in the background. The banshee tie rod mounting location is ~1/2" farther away from the ball joint centers than the blaster.

In summation, bunches of aftermarket arm manufacturers make arms to fit the banshee hubs to the blaster. Not only is it possible and feasible but works well too. If you decide to swap over to the darkside, take LOTS of pictures. It's always nice to see what someone else did too!