wel, this sucks, my mom and grandpa went down to the old mining pits in sounthern indiana, to do some fiushing, cause they have good fishing, they were on the way to their favorite one, and it is all fenced in with no tresspassing sighns, the other one they like has tubes either draining it or adding water to it, and when the went to leave there was a sighn that said no entry to this area without permit, and all this stuff that the area was sold to developers