another yz 125 cdi question

duneracerweston

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i got a 03 blaster cdi is crapped out on me, did a good bit of reading and found the 125 swap, im not concerned with the spark curve ect, but more specifically what year is a direct swap? the 00 yz looks to have the same plug? will it plug and play?

thanks weston
 
I can't offer any insight into what fits what, but if anybody knows the difference in timing curve, Id love to see some charts for comparison purposes...
 
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haha, welcome aboard weston.

been on for ever, never needed anything but to see the pictures lol

Keep an ear out for detonation just in case.

is a .040 over wiseco, no P&P, it has a FMF full pipe on it, and a drop in K&N and rejetted. so i doubt predetination will even be close to a issue.

but on this other blaster im building may be a problem.. its a ,040 over with a stuffer crank and milled head, full exhaust and a custom intake, but i will keep a ear out for it!
 
The cdi could possibly make it come close if the adv is to much up top. could tune it in by adjusting the stator.

The other blaster your building will almost definitly knock on you, if its a stock milled head.
 
i know i dont know everything about strokes, but how will advancing the spark cause it to pre detonate? wouldnt that be called a early spark not pre detonation? ive done alot of research on the issue on 4 strokes while i was building my 350 warrior and could never find a documented case of a motor 1-8 cylinders pre detonating due to early spark.

pre detonation is cause by the pressures i the cylinder reaching the point to were they spontaneously com-bust like a diesel motor dose every time. so spark is not related, except to a early spark at or beyond the normal 36 degrees advanced.
 
i know i dont know everything about strokes, but how will advancing the spark cause it to pre detonate? wouldnt that be called a early spark not pre detonation? ive done alot of research on the issue on 4 strokes while i was building my 350 warrior and could never find a documented case of a motor 1-8 cylinders pre detonating due to early spark.

pre detonation is cause by the pressures i the cylinder reaching the point to were they spontaneously com-bust like a diesel motor dose every time. so spark is not related, except to a early spark at or beyond the normal 36 degrees advanced.

Detonation isnt just spontaneous theres factors that come into play that have a big role on its outcome.
im not an expert in ingnition timing..... but i know if you take a piped blaster set it to +6 advance you will get one handfull of spark knock (detonation). thats form what ive experienced.

i think this has more to do with octain and when the spark happens around tdc
 
Detonation isnt just spontaneous theres factors that come into play that have a big role on its outcome.
im not an expert in ingnition timing..... but i know if you take a piped blaster set it to +6 advance you will get one handfull of spark knock (detonation). thats form what ive experienced.

i think this has more to do with octain and when the spark happens around tdc

a spark knock is not a detonation.

pre detonation is by definition detonation before ignition by spark plug.

see in a 4 stoke motor (and im sure the 2 stroke is very similar) pre detonation has to do with to much compression on a low grade fuel, perhaps a 13:1 on 93 pump gas, thats gonna pre detonate due to poor fuel and tomuch compression. that is pre detonation. if you get a spark knock due to to far advance ignition you can run a higher octain fuel to compensate, octain is a measure in how high of compression the fuel can be used with without it knocking. the higher the octain the slower the burn time of the fuel, so if you run 110 in a 13:1 it will not ignite as soon or as fast as 93octain so no knock or pre detonation.

spark has nothing to do with pre detonation.

now back to the original question, will a 2000 model yz 125 cdi plug into a 03-06 blaster?
 
You guys are arguing how many fairies you can fit on the head of a pin...
If it rattles, it's gonna die.
Doesn't matter if it is too much advance, not enough octane, too much compression, not enough squish area, or a thread stuck out from the plug hole.

I most definitely have heard that death rattle from too much timing advance.
I have never been inside the cylinder to see what happens, but old Harry Richardo used a glass plate to have a look inside and this is what he saw: the early spark caused an ever increasing pressure spike due to temps (Charles and Boyles law) that caused the spontaneous detonation of the remaining mixture once the pressure went over a certain limit. Call it what you will, results are pretty much the same.

So timing curves on a 2 stroke - usually pretty flat or even retarded at max revs.
Has to do with the pipe exponentially increasing pressures at powerband.
Usually the hotter the engine, the more retard at max revs.
The Blaster is pretty much a flat line over 2000rpm so a YZ125 will likely be safer on it if you can get the initial timing right.