Nitrous Oxide

[sicivicdude]

The fuel pump would be inline between the second outlet on the pingle before the fuel solenoid. I dont want to speak for 1bad442, but I think he was relating that a second fuel source wasnt needed.

exactly what i was saying heres a pic for u si showing what i meant

That doesn't get away from the battery issue. A "small" motorcycle battery is approximately 4aH and even a "small" fuel pump will use about 4 amps. A 4aH battery will NOT supply 12VDC at 4aH's. It will begin to taper off quickly if you are drawing out the full 4 amps continuously.

Actually, Blastard's idea is sounding MUCH better than yours. At least when his inert gas pressure falls off, you could wire in a hobbs switch to not allow any more nitrous flow. That would keep you from running lean where a battery supplying power to the NOS kit COULD still actuate the solenoids even if it doesn't have enough power to keep the pump running at the full 4 PSI.

 

[1bad442]

That doesn't get away from the battery issue. A "small" motorcycle battery is approximately 4aH and even a "small" fuel pump will use about 4 amps. A 4aH battery will NOT supply 12VDC at 4aH's. It will begin to taper off quickly if you are drawing out the full 4 amps continuously.

Actually, Blastard's idea is sounding MUCH better than yours. At least when his inert gas pressure falls off, you could wire in a hobbs switch to not allow any more nitrous flow. That would keep you from running lean where a battery supplying power to the NOS kit COULD still actuate the solenoids even if it doesn't have enough power to keep the pump running at the full 4 PSI.

dude seriously a 5 lb bottle will give u maybe 25 seconds worth of nitrous use before it runs out so why the hell would the battery need to last 30 minutes??? 8-|

 

[Puma]

A small low pressure pump can supply the 4 lbs necessary to keep the system working properly at a price of electricity (about 4 amps I figure) which will run on a small motorcycle battery for about 30 minutes before the battery drops below the 12v threshold and pump speed slows and fuel delivery becomes erratic. Anyone here only ride for 30 minutes at a time before stopping beside a battery charger BESIDES a dragger?

Also, you JUST suggested that you could simply hook a pingel valve into the fuel solenoid implying that that would somehow defy physics and provide 4lbs of pressure? More like about 4 inches of pressure BTW, the conversion from inches of pressure to lbs is: 1 inch of water is .036 lbs of pressure. Your fuel tank would need to be approximately 110 inches above the fuel solenoid in order to provide 4psi without a pump. Quite practical.

1) Fuel pump would only be on when the NOS was armed. 30 minutes of flowing nitrous would empty mutiple motorcycle or atv bottles.

2) The reply was to the guy who suggested using a separate fuel source pressuized by air for fuel enrichment. Anyone who is going to put NOS correctly on a motorcycle or ATV will be using the correct kit and the correct kit will include a fuel pump and instructions. Its assumed, similar to assuming that when someone rebuilds their top end, that they would install gaskets between the base and head.

 

[1bad442]

and blastard posted that right after i posted a pic of a wet fogger style system which clearly shows a fuel pump hence the reason when i responded i didnt say fuel pump again

 

[sicivicdude]

dude seriously a 5 lb bottle will give u maybe 25 seconds worth of nitrous use before it runs out so why the hell would the battery need to last 30 minutes??? 8-|

a 5lb bottle of nitrous on a "10hp shot" is going to last more than 25 seconds and THAT'S if you held it for 25 seconds straight. Who in the heck holds their throttle WOT in 6th gear for 25 seconds straight?!?!?!?!

 

[1bad442]

1) Fuel pump would only be on when the NOS was armed. 30 minutes of flowing nitrous would empty mutiple motorcycle or atv bottles.

2) The reply was to the guy who suggested using a separate fuel source pressuized by air for fuel enrichment. Anyone who is going to put NOS correctly on a motorcycle or ATV will be using the correct kit and the correct kit will include a fuel pump and instructions. Its assumed, similar to assuming that when someone rebuilds their top end, that they would install gaskets between the base and head.

puma dont bother arguing with this guy its like fighting a one armed old lady ... pointless. he thinks he knows everything and clearly knows very little

 

[sicivicdude]

1) Fuel pump would only be on when the NOS was armed. 30 minutes of flowing nitrous would empty mutiple motorcycle or atv bottles.

2) The reply was to the guy who suggested using a separate fuel source pressuized by air for fuel enrichment. Anyone who is going to put NOS correctly on a motorcycle or ATV will be using the correct kit and the correct kit will include a fuel pump and instructions. Its assumed, similar to assuming that when someone rebuilds their top end, that they would install gaskets between the base and head.

I didn't see any electronics or relays in that box 1bad442 has a picture of there so an "arming switch" is either missing or it wasn't planned into the system meaning the pump would need to be wired to the battery.....

 

[1bad442]

a 5lb bottle of nitrous on a "10hp shot" is going to last more than 25 seconds and THAT'S if you held it for 25 seconds straight. Who in the heck holds their throttle WOT in 6th gear for 25 seconds straight?!?!?!?!

nobody does thats why u looked dumb ass hell stating the battery would only last 30 seconds go back and read what u wrote dumbass8-|

 

[Puma]

That doesn't get away from the battery issue. A "small" motorcycle battery is approximately 4aH and even a "small" fuel pump will use about 4 amps. A 4aH battery will NOT supply 12VDC at 4aH's. It will begin to taper off quickly if you are drawing out the full 4 amps continuously.

Actually, Blastard's idea is sounding MUCH better than yours. At least when his inert gas pressure falls off, you could wire in a hobbs switch to not allow any more nitrous flow. That would keep you from running lean where a battery supplying power to the NOS kit COULD still actuate the solenoids even if it doesn't have enough power to keep the pump running at the full 4 PSI.

You guys are some fast typing mofos, lol

1) still have to have a battery source to activate the solenoids, so its already there for the fuel pump.

2) The pressure would drop off at the hit, causing the system to go lean. (plus it would be much harder to tune) Hobbs switces are not very reliable. You need a steady pressure and flow for the fuel source, 1 or 2 seconds of a lean condition is all it takes to burn a piston in an NOS engine.

 

[1bad442]

I didn't see any electronics or relays in that box 1bad442 has a picture of there so an "arming switch" is either missing or it wasn't planned into the system meaning the pump would need to be wired to the battery.....

theres a toggle switch under the boittle to arm the system in the box the actual trigger switch would be the old tors micro switch in the thumb throttle assembly

 

[brandoz28]

You guys are some fast typing mofos, lol

1) still have to have a battery source to activate the solenoids, so its already there for the fuel pump.

2) The pressure would drop off at the hit, causing the system to go lean. (plus it would be much harder to tune) Hobbs switces are not very reliable. You need a steady pressure and flow for the fuel source, 1 or 2 seconds of a lean condition is all it takes to burn a piston in an NOS engine.

depending on how close to the edge you run, and how much you're spraying, it takes less than a second or 2....


glad I've never sprayed enough to worry about it...yet. the little 305 is still kickin, gonna up to close to a 200 this year to see what it'll handle

 

[sicivicdude]

theres a toggle switch under the boittle to arm the system in the box the actual trigger switch would be the old tors micro switch in the thumb throttle assembly

the old tors switch is a momentary switch that is only closed when the thumb throttle assembly is "closed". If you wired a nitrous system to that switch, you'd have full nitrous any time you came off an idle.....

Awesome.

 

[Puma]

the only way to learn is to burn up a few times. glad i started with a cheap engine cause i used to buy pistons buy the boxload lol hell even now i get one once in awhile if the weather changes in a hurry throwing the tune up off

Exactly!! Venoila's by the dozen, LOL!! People used to look at me weird when I told them I ordered pistons 10 or 12 at a time!

Rep for learing the hard way, lol!

 

[Awk08]

....
I smell something

I SMELL SUMTHIN TOO !!!
blaster nitrous system is sold !
Thanx Mike

 

[brandoz28]

Exactly!! Venoila's by the dozen, LOL!! People used to look at me weird when I told them I ordered pistons 10 or 12 at a time!

Rep for learing the hard way, lol!

for the cost of custom pistons, may as well get 10, and that way you have a spare!!!!!


should've seen the smokescreen from my friend's car last year when he put in the big boy tune up from SJ. NA pistons with a .120 nitrous jet=boom lol

 

[1bad442]

the old tors switch is a momentary switch that is only closed when the thumb throttle assembly is "closed". If you wired a nitrous system to that switch, you'd have full nitrous any time you came off an idle.....

Awesome.

omg lmfao u use the switch where it hits the throttle arm when its fully opened

 

[1bad442]

I SMELL SUMTHIN TOO !!!
blaster nitrous system is sold !
Thanx Mike

i smell...........ahahahaha awk faking up some big bore ported stroker motors with a puny stocker ..weeeeeeeeeeee

 

[DirtDiggler]

1bad442 , you have changed the topic completely .
If there is no oxygen in nitrous oxide , then what about nitrous oxide is used to create extra power in a internal combustion engine? What is the difference between a dry and wet system? Explain to us how an inert gas such as nitrogen can add hundreds of HP?
Why not just spray nitrogenand get rid Of that pesky oxygen altogether , seeing how it doesn't do a thing for you .

 

[brandoz28]

I SMELL SUMTHIN TOO !!!
blaster nitrous system is sold !
Thanx Mike

vids are madatory

 

[Puma]

puma dont bother arguing with this guy its like fighting a one armed old lady ... pointless. he thinks he knows everything and clearly knows very little

I am starting to think your right, lol! 1) doesnt know that after 10 or more seconds the bottle pressure is going to drop off and have to warm it back up and 2) doesnt know NOS can only be activated at WOT.


But he is damn quick with his math! lol (relax SI, just giving you a hard time)