Around here the big thing was always people saying there type-r civic could out run a 5.0. A kid I used to work with had one such civic he started telling me about all the money he invested in it, and all the parts it had. all professionally installed by a guy who I can verify is a complete dumb ass (I wouldn't let him rotate my tires much less install a turbo!!!). Anyway he was all proud that he beat a nearly stock 5.0 that another guy at work had. I looked at him and said "you do realize you spent over 9k upgrading your car just so it can barely beat a 4k dollar car!?!" (although it did handle better than the mustang.this was a drag race)