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Mar 22, 2009
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i was jetting my carb yesterday and i parked it for the night, i come out today to do some more jetting and i couldnt get my quad to start. i took the spark plug out and left the kill switch and ignition on to see if it would spark and nothing. i tried using a coil that come off a running baster and still nothing. i have no tools to perform a resistance test or continuity.
 
Try a new plug, double check your coil ground. Also if you have access to a CDI try switching those. Double check your run switch and key as well. Also if you have a tether check that.
 
the plug is brand new. when u say check the ground, just clean the metal surfaces and reconect ground? i do have a cdi i can try. how will i check the kill switch and key switch?
 
Just make sure the kill switch and key are in the run and on positions... It does happen, lol. Hows the plug gap? between .7-.8mm?

Yes for the coil ground i mean check to make sure the bolt is secure and that it is meeting up with clean metal.

Double check your wiring connections from your stator, make sure they are all secure. May have bumped one when removing the carb and pulled it loose.
 
i did ground to the cylinder and i thought maybe i couldnt see the spark so i out my hand on it while grounded to the cylinder and no spark or shock
 
i have an ohms meter and i found something on the forum on how to test the coil and the results
primary coil is like 2.0 ohms
secondary coil 10. something kohms


PRIMARY COIL:
positive lead to orange wire
black lead to ground terminal (where bolt goes through coil into frame)

the reading should be 1.44 to 1.76 ohms.


SECONDARY COIL:
positive lead to spark plug lead
negative lead to orange wire

5.28 to 7.92 Kohms (if you have an auto ranging meter this will automatically show up as Kohms)
 
i tested the ignition system with an ohms meter and everything read to specs except the coil.


ignition coil resistance specs is 1.44-1.76 ohms and my reading is 2.0-2.7ohms
secondary coil resistance specs is 5.28-7.92kohms and my reading is 10.99kohms

also said to check wiring conection (entire ignition system) for poor conections. how to test that? just look and make sure they look like conected lol?
 
i used a test light to check the following wires from the stator,source coil black/red wire lit up. checked yellow /red wire and lit up but the pickup coil white/red wire didnt light up
 
lol nice call, i did change because it said low battery, the tester deffinatley flucuated with the weak battery. the testing results were much more readable, before it just bounced around. i just need some opinions or better yet someone with some knowledge about this. does the pickup coil put out power to light up the test light (white red wire from stator)?
 
Ok, lets see what we can figure out to get you going again. All the obvious stuff seems to have been checked. Have you done the orange wire test yet? All you need to do is unhook the orange wire from the ignition coil and hook it to the probe end of your test light. Then ground out the other end of the test light, kick the engine over (preferably with the spark plug out so it will spin more), and watch to see if the test light flashes. If the bulb flashes, you've at least got juice coming out of the CDI box and going to the coil. Replace the ignition coil with a new one and try again. It should fire with a new coil. I will say that one other possible source of trouble is your spark plug boot. They can fail, or you may have a bad connection between the coil wire and the boot. Check the link below to see how to test the coil/boot. Try unscrewing the boot from the coil wire and being sure it has no internal damage or a loose connection.

http://www.blasterforum.com/general-support-17/downloadable-yamaha-blaster-manual-17325/


If the test light remains dark or flashes very weakly/intermittently, the problem is farther back in the ignition system. Take the front hood panel off your Blaster and look at the wires coming from the handlebar switch. There is a red compound plug with three wires. These are (or were) for the headlight. Leave them alone. HOWEVER, there is also a single black wire with a white chaser (stripe). Unplug it for a moment and re-test your spark. This is your kill switch wire and if the switch has failed, unhooking it will allow the system to fire again. If your Blaster still has its factory keyed kill switch as well, trace the black/white striped wire back to the CDI box and unplug it there. This will be sure that both the handlebar and keyed kill switches are unhooked, and therefore out of the picture, when you go to re-test spark.
 
Still no spark? Time to test the stator plate. For the record (and this is a myth that has people confused), a sheared flywheel key will NOT cause the engine to lose spark. The key only indexes the flywheel onto the crankshaft. Should the key shear, the ignition system will still function properly; the spark just will not be properly synched with the piston's position in the cylinder. With a sheared key, the engine either won't fire at all, will kick back viciously, or attempt to run in reverse. (Depending on how many degrees the ignition timing has been thrown off.) BUT, when you go to test spark at the plug, you will have it even if the engine itself won't start.

That being said, take your mulit-meter with a fresh battery and ohm out the stator plate, following the directions in your manual in the link I posted earlier. Attempting to test the stator plate with a test light won't do you much good. Remember, a test light is designed to work with a 12V system, but at cranking speeds (i.e. kicking-over speeds) the coils on the engine's stator plate aren't putting out anywhere near 12 volts. As such, the current produced won't activate the test light's bulb. Use the multi-meter.

If, and only if, the coils test OK on the stator plate, you can eliminate it as your source of trouble. That being said, its a good idea to remove the flywheel if you can and just take a look back there to be sure the whole works isn't full of rust/corrosion, etc.

If the stator plate fails the test, time to either replace the defective coil or find a good used replacement plate.

If the stator plate is still good, keep on checking. As another poster mentioned, it is very easy to accidentally knock a connector loose where the stator plate attaches to the main wiring harness. Be sure they are all tight. To eliminate a bad-ground as a possible problem, look at the four wires coming off the stator plate. One is solid black. This is your ground. Unplug it, take a jumper wire, and use the jumper wire to ground out this wire (coming from the stator plate) to somewhere with bare metal on the engine or frame. Re-test spark. If it now fires, you've got a ground problem. No fire? Keep working...

The only other problem I can think of offhand is IF, AND ONLY IF, the ignition coil, spark plug boot, and stator plate test good and the ignition system still won't fire with a disabled kill switch, new plug, and tight ground. This problem would be a bad connection at the CDI box. Be very careful when hooking up the CDI box. There are five wires going into/out of the CDI box. Three are from the source and trigger coils on the stator plate. One is a ground for the CDI box. The last one is your orange ignition coil wire. The problem is, two of these wires are both black and share the same kind of plug. It is possible to hook them up backwards and, if this happens, you will have no spark. How can you tell? Look closely, and you will see that one black wire has a red chaser. The other one is solid black. Match them up chaser-to-chaser, black-to-black, and check spark again. I've done this before and been stumped for a couple hours until I saw what I screwed up. lol. Last thought: How did you eliminate the TORS system? Did you strip out all the wires (carb cap switch, throttle switch, 'brain' box), or just unplug everything and leave the plugs attached to the harness? Be sure none of the TORS wires have been twisted together. Everything must be left open for the engine to get spark and run.

If you still don't have spark after all this, replace the CDI box. Unless you have a known-good one off a RUNNING Blaster, it is possible to have two bad used ones in a row.

Hope you get it figured out! Good luck!
 
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Ok, lets see what we can figure out to get you going again. All the obvious stuff seems to have been checked. Have you done the orange wire test yet? All you need to do is unhook the orange wire from the ignition coil and hook it to the probe end of your test light. Then ground out the other end of the test light, kick the engine over (preferably with the spark plug out so it will spin more), and watch to see if the test light flashes. If the bulb flashes, you've at least got juice coming out of the CDI box and going to the coil. Replace the ignition coil with a new one and try again. It should fire with a new coil. I will say that one other possible source of trouble is your spark plug boot. They can fail, or you may have a bad connection between the coil wire and the boot. Check the link below to see how to test the coil/boot. Try unscrewing the boot from the coil wire and being sure it has no internal damage or a loose connection.

http://www.blasterforum.com/general-support-17/downloadable-yamaha-blaster-manual-17325/


If the test light remains dark or flashes very weakly/intermittently, the problem is farther back in the ignition system. Take the front hood panel off your Blaster and look at the wires coming from the handlebar switch. There is a red compound plug with three wires. These are (or were) for the headlight. Leave them alone. HOWEVER, there is also a single black wire with a white chaser (stripe). Unplug it for a moment and re-test your spark. This is your kill switch wire and if the switch has failed, unhooking it will allow the system to fire again. If your Blaster still has its factory keyed kill switch as well, trace the black/white striped wire back to the CDI box and unplug it there. This will be sure that both the handlebar and keyed kill switches are unhooked, and therefore out of the picture, when you go to re-test spark.




i have tried this man and nothing, the white red wire from the stator i get no light up on the test light and no light up on the orange wire
from the coil, i mean from the cdi
 
Still no spark? Time to test the stator plate. For the record (and this is a myth that has people confused), a sheared flywheel key will NOT cause the engine to lose spark. The key only indexes the flywheel onto the crankshaft. Should the key shear, the ignition system will still function properly; the spark just will not be properly synched with the piston's position in the cylinder. With a sheared key, the engine either won't fire at all, will kick back viciously, or attempt to run in reverse. (Depending on how many degrees the ignition timing has been thrown off.) BUT, when you go to test spark at the plug, you will have it even if the engine itself won't start.

That being said, take your mulit-meter with a fresh battery and ohm out the stator plate, following the directions in your manual in the link I posted earlier. Attempting to test the stator plate with a test light won't do you much good. Remember, a test light is designed to work with a 12V system, but at cranking speeds (i.e. kicking-over speeds) the coils on the engine's stator plate aren't putting out anywhere near 12 volts. As such, the current produced won't activate the test light's bulb. Use the multi-meter.

If, and only if, the coils test OK on the stator plate, you can eliminate it as your source of trouble. That being said, its a good idea to remove the flywheel if you can and just take a look back there to be sure the whole works isn't full of rust/corrosion, etc.

If the stator plate fails the test, time to either replace the defective coil or find a good used replacement plate.

If the stator plate is still good, keep on checking. As another poster mentioned, it is very easy to accidentally knock a connector loose where the stator plate attaches to the main wiring harness. Be sure they are all tight. To eliminate a bad-ground as a possible problem, look at the four wires coming off the stator plate. One is solid black. This is your ground. Unplug it, take a jumper wire, and use the jumper wire to ground out this wire (coming from the stator plate) to somewhere with bare metal on the engine or frame. Re-test spark. If it now fires, you've got a ground problem. No fire? Keep working...

The only other problem I can think of offhand is IF, AND ONLY IF, the ignition coil, spark plug boot, and stator plate test good and the ignition system still won't fire with a disabled kill switch, new plug, and tight ground. This problem would be a bad connection at the CDI box. Be very careful when hooking up the CDI box. There are five wires going into/out of the CDI box. Three are from the source and trigger coils on the stator plate. One is a ground for the CDI box. The last one is your orange ignition coil wire. The problem is, two of these wires are both black and share the same kind of plug. It is possible to hook them up backwards and, if this happens, you will have no spark. How can you tell? Look closely, and you will see that one black wire has a red chaser. The other one is solid black. Match them up chaser-to-chaser, black-to-black, and check spark again. I've done this before and been stumped for a couple hours until I saw what I screwed up. lol. Last thought: How did you eliminate the TORS system? Did you strip out all the wires (carb cap switch, throttle switch, 'brain' box), or just unplug everything and leave the plugs attached to the harness? Be sure none of the TORS wires have been twisted together. Everything must be left open for the engine to get spark and run.

If you still don't have spark after all this, replace the CDI box. Unless you have a known-good one off a RUNNING Blaster, it is possible to have two bad used ones in a row.

Hope you get it figured out! Good luck!



the tors hads been eliminated for a longtime now, i dont rememeber if i took all the wires brain box out, infact i dont think i did. i will search on how to eliminate all the tors wires and conections. the only thing i could think of being an issue is the cdi box. man for the pass day and a half i have done a loud of research and everything u have mentioned i have tried, the only thing i didnt do was take the flywheel off. i checked the wires from the stator with the ohms meter and all read to specs. i tried a test light to the 3 wires the manualsays to ohm but i put a test light to them and only the black red wire lit up and yellow red wire but not the white red wire from the stator
 
i have a spear but used cdi box, ima try the other cdi box and see if i get spark to the plug, if not then ima just pull the flywheel off and check to see if it sheared the key.