Is this bad?

blasterboy32

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Is this bad? I still didnt get the cylinder off to look at the condition of the rings but that seems like a lot of movement also when i get the cylinder off ill check the bearings? Is there anything else that could be wrong that i should check? Also any tricks to getting the nuts off that hold the cylinder on They seem pretty tight and i cant get them off with a wrench.
 
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It will have to be honed to allow the new rings to bed.

It is a must that you get the bore and piston measured, no matter how good it looks there must be no more than 0.040 piston to bore clearance.

If there is you will need a bore and a new piston, get a forged one.
 
If it were mine I would bore it next size up with a new piston, you got alot of play there and new rings and a hone wont fix the issue, How long has that piston been in there?
 
Ya i know i need the stud too. How much does it usually cost to have a cylinder honed just so i dont overpay? Also where do i get rings for a vito's BBK? If i can still see the cross hatching does it still need honded?
 
If you are fitting new rings, you need to hone it.

The crosshatching must be fresh to allow enough oil to hang in there to allow the new rings to bed without wearing to fast.
 
Ok so how much does a hone usually cost so i can find the best price and would whoever is doing the work need the piston and the rings to be able to hone the cylinder or do they only need that if they're boring it?
 
Im gonna go try to get the cylinder off and inspect it more and then report back and see how bad the rings are and measure the cylinder size. I dont know how long the pistons been in there but i dont think very long. im pretty sure the previous owner didnt break it in right and never rejetted the carb so it was running lean for who knows how long
 
ok i took some measurements and found that the piston is 2.827inches. The piston to cylinder clearance is .004 so should i just get the cylinder honed and buy new rings and gaskets? Im not trying to spend a ton of money.
 
also what gasket set should i get moose or cometic or something else? And when i was looking for ring they were saying .080 over and etc which size would i need for the vito's BBK on the original bore with the 72mm piston
 
ok i took some measurements and found that the piston is 2.827inches. The piston to cylinder clearance is .004 so should i just get the cylinder honed and buy new rings and gaskets? Im not trying to spend a ton of money.

That piston is over size, I was quoting stock specs, 2.598in.

Stock clearance is 0.0016, you may need a bore, take it to a reputable shop and verify.
 
like 7 said it could be a lot of things lean air/fuel mixture a crack in the rubbery part of the intake boot can do that over time. Hence the reason it blew before you had the work done. or as simple as a bad gasket any where in between there and the motor, (however unlikely) if the owner before you dident use all new top end gaskets. Wellllllll since you already got the head off I'd sudjest taking the cylinder off and pinch the top of the rod without the piston on since your gonna have to replace it (most likely) with your pointer finger or pinky cause the finger will fit snugly like the bearing only your gonna feel if it pull left or right if you go slowly, also looking to see if the rod wiggles even minutely side to side. Not up and down while at TDC Top Dead Center of full stroke. If it dosent then check the pin bearing in the piston and see if it wiggles up and down. But looking at the vid I'd say your bike ate the ring up a bit thus allowing that wiggle. Also look at where the rings are at cause the ball bearing lodged in the piston is at it's a marker as to where the gap in the piston ring is supposed to be. Also look to see if the rings were put in upside down every piston ring in existance should have a T for top stamped in it in the middle of it. Cause some are made with a rounded off edge to it. Last and finaly least with the cylinder off if it needs bored you can feel with the tips of your fingers in the cylinder mabey a quarter inch or more a groove if you feel it your gonna deed to bore it out some if not your gonna nead a hone to get the rings to seal up nicely. Also a break in typically consists of idle running for 30 minitues mid throttle for 20 min and 10 minitues of upper throttle changing the plug each time just to ensure your jetting correctly and that it will fire up without a hitch. Then after all that let it cool down for a day conservitly 6 hrs then leak down test it before and after aswell as a compression test afterwards a shure fire way to tell if your rings are sealing is if you get a spike in compression after you spray the wd40 in threw the spark plug hole about 6-10 kicks are needed or untill the needle on the guage stops mooving up. if the bike is still slugish after the break in only go about half throttle for about 30 minitues and do another compression test, that I just explained about. Do all of this and mabey a vid or 3 and your gonna fit in great arround here good luck.
 
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