i not too pleased with my holeshots .. any suggestions? help please

[slickerthanyou]

I think it looks good with them I am a fan of 20's on the rear just seem to be the right size for clearance/looks.
I run 20-11-9 on both quads, anything bigger/smaller requires a gear change IMO!

I tried 22's and not only did it look funny but completely change the power of the motor.

Maybe those 10" rims are a bit much for 20's? Power wise of course!

 

[dksix]

I've got the opposite problem. Running 18" turf tamers and 21" on the front I think the fronts are too big. I'll probably go to 20" rears when I get to that point but for now it's working. Maybe if you'd polish the fronts it would help the looks some. The newer shine draw the eye to the rear.

 

[2stroketerror]

dksix- the front tires are the factory 21's ; i went with 20's on the rear and was gonna go with 23's up front but then i decided i didnt like the big 20's on the rear ; maybe if i go ahead and get 23's up front itll make the rears look better on it ; i have been thinking about an extended swingarm like maybe a +2? how do they perform with extended swingarms ? ;; they are stock blaster hub bolt pattern ,84 t3?? ;; the front are the factory 21's but they are worn down so they're probably about the same now .

blasty 95- thats a nice blaster you got there,, what size is your fronts?

slickerthanyou- maybe i should sell the tires and whgeels i got and get a 9inch wheel with 20's?

dksix-i think yours would look good with the biggers up front ? do you have any pictures of yours?

 

[Rich]

The Vee rubber venom 2 are a 6 ply tyre and a lot heavier.

They lack the flex of a 2 ply tyre, but are a good choice if you are going to give them a look at sharp sticks and stones.

If you intend to give your tyres extreme punishment then go with a 6 ply, otherwise a 2 ply will do and will handle a lot better.

I did a weight comparison in another thread with these tires.The weight of my holeshots on rim came out to 16.16 lbs and the veerubber on the baja rim came out to 21lbs.5lbs per wheel added weight.Running a 14/38 gear ratio and imo its been a great improvement over the 18 inch holeshots.The ITP Hd was my first choice but could not find them in a 19.In any case these tires handle great I am very saticfied with them.

 

[best]

I did a weight comparison in another thread with these tires.The weight of my holeshots on rim came out to 16.16 lbs and the veerubber on the baja rim came out to 21lbs.5lbs per wheel added weight.Running a 14/38 gear ratio and imo its been a great improvement over the 18 inch holeshots.The ITP Hd was my first choice but could not find them in a 19.

Yeah Rich, I went to a 22" ITP Mudlite and noticed how heavy they are.
Running Kenda Dirt Dog 22x11x8 now which are noticeably lighter and also seem to be an inch lower too, both of which make the quad seem more lively.
I guess my point here is that the diameter measurement is nominal and can vary, like boot sizes, dammit!

If OP was looking for tires for a purpose, I might be able to help, but if he is going for looks... well, I am esthetically challenged. On the scale of Elton John to Larry the cable guy I am so far to the right that my local hardware store demands I bring a note in a feminine hand with permission to get paint tinted.

 

[Blaaster]

If OP was looking for tires for a purpose, I might be able to help, but if he is going for looks... well, I am esthetically challenged. On the scale of Elton John to Larry the cable guy I am so far to the right that my local hardware store demands I bring a note in a feminine hand with permission to get paint tinted.

This too is the way I think Best.

Looks are one thing, but improve the handling nil.

Heavy rubber, takes away a lot of get up and go, owing to having to overcome the inertia to spin the greater mass. It also makes braking less effective, and drastically changes flight correction.

 

[2_Smoked]

I just got these in the mail. For the price i had to go for it.


Dunlop Quadmax Sport Radial ATV Tire | ATV | Rocky Mountain ATV/MC

 

[Rich]

I dont understand what you guys meen.I read extensive reviews before purchasing this tire and its all about function.I went with a 19 because with this small quad and available gearing it was a logical choice.There are cheap tires and there are qaulity tires hard rubber soft rubber lighter rubber and so on just kinda depends ont the quality of materials and how its manufactured I would amagine.The tire works for my application.It hooks up well and brakes free and has a predictable slide.I run them at 4-5 psi and they flex and grip nicely and are smooth at high speed.There not big balloon tires and are only19x11.I was a bit worried about wieght but there hardly 5 lbs heavier than my 18 inch holeshots.And a bonus yes they look nice but are fully functional.Im into 4 wheel drives two and I understand and have used many brands of tires from toyo to swampers and mickys and so on.Mickys belted were great for my built toyota tacoma now I run toyo on my 09 nissan titan quad cab 4x4 good for road and trail.If it was not a good tire I dont think the pros would be racing with them cross country.But this is just my 2 cents on this particular tire there are many great and functional tires out there other than this one.Yeah if it came in a 2 or 4 ply I would have purchased this first but this is what was available and they are lite for what they are.But I guess one would half to actually run the tire first hand to be able to appreciate it.Its not a track tire.No power has been lossed it rips.I have first gear again and good performance threw out gear range with this size tire.I can drift and burn threw trails all day plenty of power to brake them loose.Pretty good tire after riding and reviewing it.

 

[dksix]

2stroketerror: 84 T3 is 1984 Kawasaki Tecate KXT250 3 wheeled ATV. Maybe 85 T3, I can't remember but I'm sure on the 84 T3 (I'm running the wheels and spacers I had on my 84 T3 for awhile). My 01 came with 23x8x10 on the front and 22x11x8 Mud Lites and I hated the way it looked. With stock A arms and swinger, that's just too big for the short Blaster IMO. It's a shame too, they are like new and I'll never use them. I put 21x7x10 KT391's and Blue Labels on the front and 18x9.5x8 Turf Tamers on ITP polished rears. I think the fronts are too tall but it sits level and handles good. I considered getting some 19" fronts but decided to wait and see what it needs when I get the arms and swinger I'm going to keep. Like your 21's looker shorter than the 20's, my 21's look 6 inches taller than the 18's. I've got some pictures on mine but they aren't very good, don't think I've posted any of them here.

 

[Blaaster]

I am in no way bagging the Vee rubber venom 2 tyres, and if that floats your boat, then run them.

My point is, that hanging an extra 10 lbs of 6 ply tyres on the back end of a Blaster, is going to change the handling quite a lot, and possibly, not for the good of the rider or the bike.

 

[2stroketerror]

so im probably gonna do a +2 swinger ?? what would yall reccomend me doing on tire sizes front and rear and rear wheel size?? , im trying to find a banshee rear axle and hubs so that i can get the itp baja t-9 desert locks front and rear or baja t-9 desert locks front and beadlocks on the rear? im trying to sell the baja t-9 polished wheels and holeshots that i baught and dont like

 

[scotj77]

I run 6 ply tires with heavy alluminum rims and you feel it in a drifting corner. the back end stays Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out the whole time and it is harder to just manhandle the blaster into the position you want it in. but you get use to it. all depends how much power your blasty has

 

[2stroketerror]

i just dont understand why they're so much bigger than my other 20's ,,, i thought about getting a 18 but then it'd probably look small

 

[scotj77]

I have seen quite a few sets of tires and 20's are never the same size in differen't brands. mine are short 20's my cousins holeshots look like yours. and cheap tires look tiny 20's look like 18s the super cheap atv tires

 

[blasterbogger]

I like Turf Tamer's and Shredder's , they hook real nice.

 

[best]

Hey, I actually work in the tire industry, manufacturing on-road 18 wheeler tires and off-road tires for industry, mining and military. During the first Iraq war I converted an 18 wheeler tire machine to build tires for the Stryker LAV. It raised our production from 4 tires/hr to 14 tires/hr. Kind of fun getting paid to do mods. Given a team of guys and an unlimited budget and only two instructions: 1)Can you do it? 2)Do it NOW!

This however does not make me any sort of expert on ATV tires.
And certainly not an esthetics guru but I have some basic ideas about rear tires (correct me if I am wrong here):
Bigger tires (20-22) are good for ground clearance and floatation in rough terrain and mud, but trade off secure handling.
Gear ratio can be corrected with sprocketing, get the tires you need to do the job.
Low tires (18-19) really corner well but handle rough terrain. Better for flat and high traction.
Tread compounds matter. Harder terrain (rock & logs) needs softer rubber. Wears fast but it grips. Soft ground, sand, gravel and mud can use hard rubber.
Tread type matters. Chevron, paddle and fingers each have their own advantages. Where do you ride?
Tire pressure is hugely important. 3-5psi seems to work best with most of our tires. It is a fine balance finding the right pressure.
Tire weight does affect everything! Lighter is better as long as it doesn't puncture.

From these ideas, I figured I needed the ITP MudLites (not really light as sport quad tires go!) to get through rocks and mud and water, like this stuff:

The mud is deeper and softer than it looks and there are small trees cut off at an angle in the low brush that can puncture lighter tires than the ITP MudLites. The chevron tread worked well in the mud and water.

This sort of terrain below is kind of a sandy clay (or clayish sand?). Too hard for paddles and the chevron tread doesn't slide well. Small diameter tires with finger tread work well here.

About sand: Sand sucks horsepower. The chevron treads work well on it, but add a heavy tire end even my 40+hp feels taxed. The finger treads do not do well on sand and neither does a heavy tire. Sand needs light flexible tire, low air pressure and paddles.

These are my opinions.

 

[best]

<SOME SNIPPED> If it was not a good tire I dont think the pros would be racing with them cross country.

Well Rich, the manufacturers and the advertisers would certainly want you to think so, but have you ever watched the Romaniacs?

Why would anyone take a BMW BMW G450X on course like this?
Not because it is the best bike for the job, but because the manufacturer paid them well to use it.
So it often is with tires and everything else you see in racing.
Often what the pros use is something that cannot be bought in any store, even if it looks just like it.

 

[Rich]

I am in no way bagging the Vee rubber venom 2 tyres, and if that floats your boat, then run them.

My point is, that hanging an extra 10 lbs of 6 ply tyres on the back end of a Blaster, is going to change the handling quite a lot, and possibly, not for the good of the rider or the bike.

Ok I can respect your opinion.Not much change in the handling of the quad with these tires.Improvement with 19 inch and available gearing over the 18.I can not feel the wieght difference.The wieght is still equal to running a 20-22 2 ply as far as that goes.But I understand and respect your opinion yes they are 5 lbs heavier than the 18 inch holeshot.And they perform great I ride it every day.

 

[Blaaster]

My only comment is that, if you cant feel much change in handling, with an extra 10 lbs of rubber hanging on the back end, then you aint spinning the rubber fast enough.

 

[Rich]

Ow there spinning.But over all handling compared to the 18 inch hole shots.There is less side wall cupling so it pitches and spins the tires predictably even with a tight turn driftin the rear around treas and it hooks up when you straiten it out.The greatest benefit over the 18 is the gear range is more usable with the given gears that will fit when running such a short tire.Its noticably larger than the 18 and for my prefrence and riding style they seem to be doing a good job.Has ok clearance and have not had any issues.Jumps are pretty even tires dont have any bad tendancies.But I am getting older so dont do much flying in the air any more but its a good all around tire and it should last a long time.I was worried at first it may have to much side bite going into corners but I think it looks more aggressive than it actually is.Dont get me wrong its pretty aggressive but im happy with them.