thanks for the info guys. stabor, alot of good info there. there is both a dicks sporting goods and a dunhams here in marysville. i havent been to dicks yet, but dunhams basically only had bear in stock. and nobody knew anything about them except they would "get the job done". i plan on going to gander mtn before i actually buy one, because i was told they have good bows there for good prices. and awk, i thought you were a bow hunter, but wasnt sure. alot of good info there, and it kinda narrows down my choices a little bit. if i'm buying a bare bow, i dont wanna spend any more than like 350-400. i will be willing to spend maybe another $100 on top of that for a rth kit. i looked at a bunch of different bows on ebay, but the thing that scares me is that if i buy one, i wont be able to see if i like the feel or anything of it before i buy it. i know in my price range, i cant ask for the best equipment, but i figure i should probably get a bow that i think feels best and be a better bow. rep given to all of you guys who helped