upside down 4 pokers??!?

iLikeIke

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seein 4 strokes doin backflips through the air made me wonder if they have to seal the oil seperetly to keep it from flying up into the bottom of the piston etc.

at least riding a 2 stroke blaster i know i can backflip and not worry about oil, just maybe some gas coming out of the carb. :D
 
Take a bucket and put a couple of inches of water in it.

At arms length swing it up and around over your head.

Tell me if any water falls out.
 
also, it doesn't hurt if oil gets under the piston on 4 strokes. you know they have a bearing in there that needs lube too. the oil ring on the poker piston is what takes care of getting the oil off the cylinder back in to the crankcase. works as a scraper if you will.
 
nope.... cyntrifual force and gravety <--- however u spell those, keep the oil in the botom end. unless they flip. but it dosent matter. so many ppl flip there quads a t tracks, and they just flip them over and keep goin
 
Most of the newer 4stroke engines use a semi dry sump anyway. They use the windage off the crankshaft to force the motor oil in the bottom end to "sling" through a small opening and into another section of the case that's where most of the motor oil is contained. Windage actually doesn't care about gravity either...so as long as the engine is running (even in "zero G" free fall after a huge jump) it's clearing the crank case of excess oil.

Now, there ARE 4 strokes that are designed to run even inverted... Some aviation engines have crankcases with cylinders located below them (look up radial engines). Oil squuzing out of the rod bearing journals will generally tend to "fall" into those cylinders but they're not really any more likely to burn oil than the upper cylinders because the crankcase is specially designed to "catch" the oil that the oil control ring on those bottom cylinders "pushes up" while the piston is actually "falling" inside that cylinder.

There is even another even more special class of 4 stroke engine that is designed to have no excess oil in the bottom end at all. Handheld 4 stroke engines are designed with a scavenge pump buil in that picks up any oil that's located in the crankcase and small "squirters" that spritz oil up onto the rotating mass. The bearings are all designed so that the "spritz" is enough to keep them happy....
 
Most of the newer 4stroke engines use a semi dry sump anyway. They use the windage off the crankshaft to force the motor oil in the bottom end to "sling" through a small opening and into another section of the case that's where most of the motor oil is contained. Windage actually doesn't care about gravity either...so as long as the engine is running (even in "zero G" free fall after a huge jump) it's clearing the crank case of excess oil.

Now, there ARE 4 strokes that are designed to run even inverted... Some aviation engines have crankcases with cylinders located below them (look up radial engines). Oil squuzing out of the rod bearing journals will generally tend to "fall" into those cylinders but they're not really any more likely to burn oil than the upper cylinders because the crankcase is specially designed to "catch" the oil that the oil control ring on those bottom cylinders "pushes up" while the piston is actually "falling" inside that cylinder.

There is even another even more special class of 4 stroke engine that is designed to have no excess oil in the bottom end at all. Handheld 4 stroke engines are designed with a scavenge pump buil in that picks up any oil that's located in the crankcase and small "squirters" that spritz oil up onto the rotating mass. The bearings are all designed so that the "spritz" is enough to keep them happy....


As always.. covoured in great detail! :p and yeah most of the 450 2strokes quads which you see doing flips are dry sump and have a seperate oil tank...

heres a pic of my 500 which you can see the oil tank.. (Obviously i chose a pic with the blaster in aswell! ;) )

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