Klotz NITRO Power Additive

bundyho1

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Just wondering has anybody tried this in there blaster?
IT is an oxygenating power additive developed for gasoline and methanol alcohol fuels. NITRO is designed to extract the maximum level of horsepower from stock and modified engines. Contains 50% Nitropropane and 50% Koolinal™ as a blending and cooling agent. Koolinal resists detonation and pre-ignition. Dyno test indicate substantial power increases may be obtained when using Klotz NITRO.

Nitro provides up to 7% increase in horsepower
Improves throttle response and acceleration
Increased horsepower and torque
Blends with gasoline and methanol alcohol
Designed for stock and modified engines
 
I've tried it. I had to mix it double strength to feel more power and then it made me run hot.
Not saying it won't work for your motor though.
Get some and report back!
 
the guy i bought my MX blaster from swore up and down about how great the Klotze was, but after I ran through the few bottle he gave me, I've been running it on 93 octance and MC1 and couldnt tell a difference (back in ~1992 or so.....)


It must do something though, this is the kind of stuff they check for at the Nationals and SX. He told me they were disqualified at London KY when they were tested.
 
Bundyho1 you answered your own question in your question it says it MAY and more than likely may not, guys you can buy octane boosters and all that stuff but you don't need it, the worst thing you can do is run race gas in a blaster that doesn't have enough compression, and if you got enough comp. where you need it I hope your only racing 300 foot, what they are checking for is like you said an oxygenated additive, like nitrous if it adds more oxygen, so you need to add more fuel, or you'll melt it down, the more fuel and air the motor uses (at the correct fuel air ratio) the more power it will have.
 
race gas burns slighlty slower ,yes but is regulated much better than pump gas ,has less water and ethonal in it often has lead additives which is a huge benefit on a 2 stroke for lubrication and anti detonation proeprties and it often is oxygenated ..oxygen is like free power gain -doesnt *matter if you need the high octane rating or not ,klotz nitro is not an octane booster, it is nitro propane in liquid form witha cooling agent additive to help offset the increased heat.there are alot of race blends o nthe market some are alot better than others ,a very slow burn rate with no oxygen may run worsethan pump gas but if you get the correct ones (i like VP products and 100LLmyself )they will make more power than pump gas even on stock compression engines,the density/oxygen is different and of coarse youll need ot rejet to see some of these gains
 
So whats the best way of going about trying to get some of that 100LL gas?I do have a local small airport around here.That would probably be the best way to go.That klotz nitro stuff isnt cheep.
 
Bundy how much comp. do you have? if you don't have enough your quad will actually be slower by running 100 octane, stay away from the airport, you have a quad not an airplane, av-gas has de-icers in the fuel so they can fly at altitude, the others are additives that use an oxygen agent, so lets say your bike was on the edge as far as jetting goes and you used this stuff you would probably melt the exhaust side of the piston, but if you go up on your jetting you would be ok, and you may get a whole .30 of a h.p. hardly worth it.
 
The oxygenated fuel is similar to Nitrous....which allows MORE fuel to be burnt in the combustion process. When the motor needs more fuel, you'll need to jet richer to supply that.the deice agents and aromatics is nothing ,all these race fuel blends have additves and agents i n them too ,airplanes often have 300 pounds of static compression so its definitly useful theres a host of reasons for the myths floating around the net on avgas ,most are biased by people and oil compnaies with no experiance using it and profits to lose by people running it ,ive tried it for many years on countless dozens of machines modifed and not so modifed ,its excellent alternative to the gray engines ,some require full tilt 110 good stuff like VP av gas is not a mircale fuel but works just fine for most and better than some fancy race fuels ive seen sold today
 
yes that is what I said it acts like nitrous, but if the person using it does not understand this need for more fuel there could be a problem, you or I would obviously compensate for the need for more fuel but it seems like some of the folks aren't quite as rehearsed in the correct way to read a piston to know how its burning as you or I am, heck some complain about the cost of a jet, if you beat me in a drag race by 4 foot, I may be able to get you next time with a jet change and have my motor survive, but if you beat me by 4 foot and theres nothing left in the jetting then I've lost but at least my motor still runs, whats the saying they are always fastest right before they blow up.
 
read down the article on av-gas sorry for the long post, and I am not trying to mis inform anyone this is a good discussion.

TOLUENE - Some Basic Questions.



Q: Will my car benefit from octane boosting?

A: Consumer organizations have effectively emphasized the larger markups that oil companies charge for high octane gasoline, implying that for most vehicles higher octane fuel is a complete waste of money. It has been quite a long time since the consumer alert was issued. Since then engine technology has evolved greatly, while people's perceptions generally have not.

Modern vehicles now use computerized engine management systems that can react to engine knock and retard ignition timing if low octane fuel is being used. Consequently cars are now being manufactured with very high compression ratios that appear to give good fuel economy and at the same time good performance. This combination does assume that fuel of adequate octane is being used.


Q: Why bother to boost octane at all since my engine can run just fine on lower octane fuel?

A: For a high compression engine to run on low octane fuel, the engine management system will need to retard the ignition timing to prevent preignition or pinging. Retarding the ignition timing means that the firing of the spark plug is delayed until a later moment in the compression stroke. It does not take much to see that a later onset of combustion means that the combustion is less complete, which in turn mean less power and poorer fuel economy. It is possible that the casual driver will still come out ahead in terms of saving money by using low octane fuel, but the retarded ignition advance also means a rougher running engine and a much duller throttle response. Thus octane boosting is not necessarily of interest to all motorists but rather the enthusiasts.

For turbocharged or supercharged engines, insufficient octane will also lead the engine management system to curtail the amount of boost which in turn defeats the purpose of these engines.


Q: How did you discover using toluene?

A: Someone came across a web page that described various DIY home brew octane booster formulas. One of which used toluene as its main ingredient. As a Formula 1 racing fan of many years, I recalled that toluene was used extensively in the turbo era in the 1980s by all the Formula 1 teams. The 1.5 liter turbocharged engines ran as much as 5 bars of boost (73 psi) in qualifying and 4 bars (59 psi) in the actual race. Power output exceeded 1500bhp, which translates into 1000bhp/liter, an astronomical figure.

A motorsports journalist, Ian Bamsey, was able to obtain Honda's cooperation for his book "McLaren Honda Turbo, a Technical Appraisal". The book documents the key role that the toluene fuel played in allowing these tiny engines to run so much turbo boost without detonation. The term "rocket fuel" originated from the Formula 1 fraternity as an affectionate nickname to describe its devastating potency. Thus I concluded that I should focus my research on using toluene for my octane boosting project.

Individuals with good long term memory will recall that when unleaded gasoline was first introduced, only low octane grades were available. While it is not entirely clear that high octane super unleaded gas came about as a result of the advances in fuel technology in Formula 1, there is every reason to suspect that this is indeed the case, since many of the major oil companies were involved in the escalating race to develop increasingly potent racing fuel during this era.


Q: Why do you think toluene is better than other types of octane boosters?

A: Several reasons:

Mindful of the evil reputation of octane boosters in general, toluene is a very safe choice because it is one of the main octane boosters used by oil companies in producing ordinary gasoline of all grades. Thus if toluene is indeed harmful to your engine as feared, your engine would have disintegrated long, long ago since ordinary pump gasoline can contain as much as 50% aromatic hydrocarbons.

Toluene is a pure hydrocarbon (C7H8). i.e. it contains only hydrogen and carbon atoms. It belongs to a particular category of hydrocarbons called aromatic hydrocarbons. Complete combustion of toluene yields CO2 and H2O. This fact ensures that the entire emission control system such as the catalyst and oxygen sensor of your car is unaffected. There are no metallic compounds (lead, magnesium etc), no nitro compounds and no oxygen atoms in toluene. It is made up of exactly the same ingredients as ordinary gasoline. In fact it is one of the main ingredients of gasoline.

Toluene has a RON octane rating of 121 and a MON rating of 107, leading to a (R+M)/2 rating of 114. (R+M)/2 is how ordinary fuels are rated in the US. Note that toluene has a sensitivity rating of 121-107=14. This compares favorably with alcohols which have sensitivities in the 20-30 range. The more sensitive a fuel is the more its performance degrades under load. Toluene's low sensitivity means that it is an excellent fuel for a heavily loaded engine.

Toluene is denser than ordinary gasoline (0.87 g/mL vs. 0.72-0.74) and contains more energy per unit volume. Thus combustion of toluene leads to more energy being liberated and thus more power generated. This is in contrast to oxygenated octane boosters like ethanol or MTBE which contain less energy per unit volume compared to gasoline. The higher heating value of toluene also means that the exhaust gases contain more kinetic energy, which in turn means that there is more energy to drive turbocharger vanes. In practical terms this is experienced as a faster onset of turbo boost.

Chevron's published composition of 100 octane aviation fuel shows that toluene comprises up to 14% alone and is the predominant aromatic hydrocarbon. Unfortunately composition specifications for automotive gasoline is harder to pin down due to constantly changing requirements.

Chevron's web site also describes the problems of ethanol being used in gasoline.

MTBE was heavily touted as a clean additive several years ago, and became a key ingredient in reformulated gasoline that is sold in California. But recently new studies arose that showed that MTBE was far more toxic than previously imagined. Organizations such as oxybusters have formed around the country to eliminate the use of MTBE in gasoline and several states, including California have passed new laws to eventually outlaw MTBE.


Q: Why not simply use racing gasoline or aviation fuel?

A1: Most types of aviation fuel have very high lead content, which would rule out cars equipped with catalytic converters. Most piston engined aircraft burn leaded fuel. Also aviation fuel has a very different hydrocarbon mix to optimize volatility properties at high altitude.

A2: Racing gasoline could be a much more convenient way to run high octane fuel compared to having to constantly mix in toluene with each fill up. There are, however a few caveats:


You don't know for sure if you are really getting what is being advertised. You should find out if the fuel inspectors verify the actual octane of the racing gasoline in addition to ordinary gasoline. If you paid $3/gallon and only got 94 or 95 octane instead of 100 octane you may conclude erroneously that your car does not benefit from octane boosting.
 
Whats up with people swearing by Klotz? The mechanic I brought my bike to was like only use klotz! Spectro is alright, but only use Klotz, its the best, blah, blah, blah. I will say that klotz smells better tho. And it seems to give my blasty more ZIPPP power. (if you catch my drift)
 
it can, in a way I think myself and Flotek are saying the same thing, as an example your bike is probably on the rich side which is safe but will make the quad slower, now you add an additive and because you already have an over abundance of fuel (rich) it starts to run more on the leaner side and its faster but not lean enough to eat the front off the piston.
 
there are 3 problems with what you copied and pasted 1st* thats misleading to what we use ,i nthe fact its in reference to a very large multi cylindered four stroke car engine totally different compared to a 2cycle 200cc blaster engine ,second *if one reads it ,its easy ot see its beyond biased and mentions a company with a vested interest chevron corporation as its information .lastly * ,what sounds good on paper *boost bottle *jet kits* carb inserts* cough* doesnt always equate to the real world that we live in ,if i didnt build 2cycle engines for a living if i hadnt jetted hundreds and hundreds of 2strokes if i havent seen countless hordes of people who succesfully ran and regualry enjoyed the benefits of avgas i might be swayed to believe that information ,i have pages of happy users i can easily copy and paste fro mother forums that would show just exactly the opposite of what was posted here and of thsoe users some are pro engine builders some are actual pilots some are certifed mechanics some are quad enthusiasts ... but none are oil companies
 
I first learned of the no av-gas from a article in dirt bike I'll find another

Motor Trend: 100 octane aviation "AV" gas is usually cheaper that 100 octane race gas. What is the difference between race gas and AV gas?
Rockett Brand: Aviation gasoline with an octane quality of 100 is often cheaper than 100 unleaded, thus it may look attractive to performance enthusiasts. First and foremost, 100 octane Aviation fuel contains tetraethyl lead (TEL); since 1996 it has been illegal to use leaded gasoline in a licensed street vehicle and you can be fined us to $25,000 for using it. Plus, leaded gasoline will damage the oxygen sensor(s) and catalytic converter(s) found in modern vehicles.

Aviation fuel is designed for low speed aircraft engines that run at 2700 to 2800 RPM at 10,000 feet altitude. Aviation fuel often contains hydrocarbons that are detrimental to the performance of a high-horsepower street car.

There are two grades of 100 octane aviation gasoline. One is identified as 100LL and is blue in color. The other is 100/130 and is green in color. The second number (130) shown for the green fuel is a measurement using a supercharged octane test engine. Although this 130 octane number is higher, it is achieved from an entirely different test and rating system than octane numbers determined with normally aspirated engines. For comparison, Rockett Brand 111 octane tests out at over 160 octane using the supercharged aviation method that indicates Rockett Brand 111 has a significant advantage in anti-knock ability over 100/130 aviation gasoline.
 
now I know it says street car it will be hard to find an article on 2 strokes, the bottom line why not use gas? aviation has to be different do to altitude.
 
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I'm sorry but I'll take the word of a 2 stroke engine builder over an article written in a magazine any day