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Well I haven't seen one in person but the older ones are no where near 30MM. I know scoobs did a little work to his, as well as a few others but They never leaked with just a gasket never needed any RTV or double gaskets. Made of aluminum not phenolic. I would of kept the one I had if I new of all the issues with Vforces I was gonna have.

But I will prevail and then when I conquer this 30MM I try a 33pwk and see what happens, then if and when my son does his BB with long rod we will jump to the 36MM air stryker and I think I'll stay with that, shouldn't need any more. But first this 30mm needs to be mastered. I think it would be a great starter carb, for most trail application, with a port/head job.
 
Well now that I helicoiled the drain plug and got that all good, it will be time to fire it up again next few days. I decided to take the carb apart again, and clean the sh*t out of it. I also decided to check the float level as I ashamingly never did. I asummed. Bad thing, so it was at 21mm and it's suppose to be 19mm going by the 28mmPWK as this is what the OKO 30 was made from. So I set it at 19mm, gonna fire it up tomorrow after work and check the warm up temp in minute incriments, now that I have my new laser non-contact heat gun. I check up to 6 miutes and see where I'm at then i'm gonna ride it for about 10 minutes, and do another check, just to see where I'm at temp wise. I'll wait patiently for those needles then I'll go over the chart you sent and see which one I wanna start with. Maybe now the float is correct , It may even run better don't know but will post what I find out.- Hope your making progress! -Bob
 
Aight here is where I'm at:
My setup is 175 main- 55 pilot - stock needle in 4th position. I had to turn the air screw out to a hair over 3 turns to get the highest idle and the best throttle response. so after many readings, I need to drop the pilot down a size and see if that will get the air screw to around 1.5 turns out. I have to get this pilot circut done first then work on the needle and main.

My temps came out like this, (the first 6 minutes are at idle and stabbing the throttle every 30 seconds or so.

Cold= 54.5
1st minute idle= 89.6 5th minute idle= 183.1
2nd minute idle=121.4 6th minute idle= 188.6
3rd minute idle= 147.3
4th minute idle= 166.4

After 10 minutes of riding on the street until the neighbors called the cops, i was at 221.4. Then I shut it down waited 15 seconds and was at 207.3

This is alot better than what I thought I was at. But it is 40 degrees out side and I'm not tuned right yet. So maybe it will change after I get this carb tuned right.

Gonna drop to a 52 pilot later today and see if i can get that air screw to get back to an acceptable range.

BTW this is what I'm using as a guide, simple terms to understand- From The Godfather-

A correctly jetted carb makes a tremendous difference in the torque, midrange pull, top-end pull, and over-rev of your engine. If you have never jetted your bike correctly, you will almost certainly gain some performance at some point in the bike's powerband.

A cleanly jetted pilot circuit can be the difference between having to clutch the bike out of a turn or not. The needle can make all the difference in the world for the power of the machine in most situations, as it controls the throttle range that most riders spend most of their time using.

A correctly sized main jet could mean the difference between being able to rev out high enough to not have to shift one more time at the end of the straight, or the power falling flat on top and requiring you to make that extra shift.

Are you fouling plugs? Many people will tell you all sorts of band-aid fixes, from running less oil, to running a hotter plug. Both are incorrect fixes for plug fouling. It's all in the jetting.

The only way to know what jetting changes you will need is by trial-and-error. No one can give you jetting specs, because every bike is different, every rider has a different style, and jetting is totally weather dependent. Unless the person telling you what jets to use is riding an identical bike, on the exact same track, at the same time, his recommendations are meaningless.

Jetting is fairly simple, and is a useful skill to learn if you ride a two-stroke and want it to perform at it's best.

It's very important that you start with the pilot circuit. The reason is simple. The pilot circuit affects the entire throttle range. When you are at full throttle, the main jet is the primary fuel metering device, but the pilot is still delivering fuel as well, adding to the total amount of fuel that your engine is receiving.

Before you start to rejet your bike, you need a clean air filter, a fresh plug (actually you need several plugs to do plug-chop tests for the main jet), and fresh fuel.

One important detail: Make sure the engine is in good mechanical condition. If your engine has a worn top-end, fix it first. Trying to jet a worn out engine is a waste of time. The same goes for reeds that don't seal properly, and a silencer that needs re-packing. Worn reeds will mimic rich jetting, and worn rings will mimic lean jetting.

Before you start the jet testing, Install a fresh plug. Set the float level to the proper specs, an incorrect float height will affect your jetting all across the throttle range.

Warm the bike completely, and shut it off.

As already stated, start with the pilot circuit. Turn the air screw all the way in, then turn it out 1.5 turns to start. Start the engine, and turn the idle screw in until you get a slightly fast idle, or hold the throttle just barely cracked, to keep the engine idleing. Turn the airscrew slowly in, and then out, until you find the point where the idle is fastest. Stop there. Do not open the screw any farther, or your throttle response will be flat and mushy, and the bike may even bog. This is only the starting point, we will still have to tune the air screw for the best response.

Now is the time to determine if you have the correct pilot installed in your carb. The air screw position determines this for you, making it very simple. If your air screw is less than 1 turn from closed, you need a larger pilot jet. If it is more than 2.5 turns from closed, you need a smaller pilot jet.

Once you have determined (and installed it if it's neccessary to change it) the correct pilot jet size, and tuned the air screw for the fastest idle, it's time to tune the air screw for the best throttle response. Again, make sure the bike is at full operating temperature. Set the idle back down (the bike should still idle, despite what you read in the Moto Tabloids), and ride the bike, using closed-to-1/4 throttle transitions. Turn the air screw slightly in either direction until you find the point that gives you the best response when cracking the throttle open. Most bikes are sensitive to changes as small as 1/8 of a turn.

The air screw is not a set-it-and-leave-it adjustment. You have to constantly re-adjust the air screw to compensate for changing outdoor temps and humidity. An air screw setting that is perfect in the cool morning air will likely be too rich in the heat of the mid-day.

Now, it's time to work on the needle. Mark the throttle grip at 1/4 and 3/4 openings. Ride the bike between these two marks. If the bike bogs for a second before responding to throttle, lower the clip (raising the needle) a notch at a time until the engine picks up smoothly. If the bike sputters or sounds rough when giving it throttle, raise the clip (lowering the needle) until it runs cleanly. There isn't really any way to test the needle other than by feel, but it's usually quite obvious when it's right or wrong.

Last is the main jet. The main jet affects from 1/2 to full throttle. The easiest way to test it is to do a throttle-chop test. With the bike fully warmed up, find a long straight, and install a fresh plug. Start the engine, and do a full-throttle run down the straight, through all gears. As soon as the bike tops out, pull the clutch in, and kill the engine, coasting to a stop. Remove the plug, and look deep down inside the threads, at the base of the insulator. If it is white or gray, the main is too lean. If it is dark brown or black, the main is too rich. The correct color is a medium-dark mocha brown or tan.

Once you have a little bit of experience with jetting changes, and you start to learn the difference in feel between "rich" and "lean", you'll begine to learn, just from the sound of the exhaust and the feel of the power, not only if the bike is running rich or lean, but even which one of the carb circuits is the culprit.

The slide is also a tuning variable for jetting, but slides are very expensive, and few bikes need different slides, so we won't go into that here.

Keep in mind, even though this article is intended primarily for two-strokes, four-strokes also need proper jetting to perform right, although they are not quite as fussy as their oil-burning cousins. The only real difference in the two is with the pilot circuit.

Two-strokes have an air screw that you screw in to make the jetting richer, ansd screw out to make the jetting leaner. Four-strokes, on the other hand, have a fuel adjustment screw that you screw in to make the jetting leaner, and out to make it richer.
 
So with the new float level, is it sputtering at low speeds? Mine was loading up even with the float set at 19mm.

One thing I can say is the OKO carbs have to be checked even out of the box, they seem to run high on the float level throwing the rest of the jetting off.
 
I have no sputtering but, my problems didn't show up until i rode it for 1/2 hour or so and it was good and hot. This weekend weather permitting I'm gonna drop the pilot down and get my idle screw where it needs to be an then, go for a little ride see if the issue is still there. I was reading some other posts on a moped forum about these OKO's and alot have had the same issues. They cured their's with a smaller pilot and raising the needle or replacing the needle. Will post results.-Bob
 
Results?!

I have an update.

After a liberal coating of copper silicone and lots of leak tests, I'm back in business baby!

My blaster, long before I owned it, was built to the hilt. It was a 240 sleeve kit, ported, long rod, 34 PJ. One could say, the works. They had a UPP manifold for a larger bore carb on it which was long enough without a spacer to run the OKO 30mm without hitting the clutch arm. Unfortunately, crimping it down to work with the OKO 30mm apparently made one leak point. I also had a leak behind the reed cage against the cylinder (I know I should have seen that one coming with all the problems everyone else has had with that point leaking) and also a leak at the exhaust manifold flange.

I bought a 3/8" reed spacer to take up the space that the UPP to stock manifold swap left me lacking. I coated each layer of gasket in a very thin coating of silicone to make sure there weren't any leaks. I let them set overnight before leak checking again and it held 6.2 psi for 30 minutes. I was so excited I called it quits after that!

I started this morning and let it warm up about 10 minutes before letting loose on it and MAN what a ride. It settles on down to an idle now and the idle screw is actually doing something!

Back to the needle... I have the JJM in there now and it's running well but there's still a tiny sputter to it. I may end up leaving it for now just to be on the safe side until summer rolls around and then I'll revisit the jetting issue for the warmer temps. I have two needles leaner so when that time comes, I'll be ready!

Slick, I'll be visiting the post office sometime this week.
 
So your running a 48pilot, 150 main? on a ported 240 Kit? Damn I have to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay rich then. Glad ya got a chance to grip and rip! Yesterday inbetween getting ready for hunting and cleaning the garage out, I swapped a 52 pilot in tried the 4th clip and 5th clip positions, Both gave me surging after it was above 200 degrees. (still like 3 turns out on the air screw for highest idle and best throttle response. However the 5th position of the needle made it bog a bit - left the 175 main in and I need to get a 50 pilot jet (as that is the only one I dont have.) I want to get the pilot circut right before I mess with the needle as I think i'm working against myself, by trying to compensate for a rich pilot. I will put in a 48 and see what kind of Air screw position that gives me, Worst case I need to buy a 50 pilot, thought I had one but I do not. The saga continues.
 
Ok, I was really confused there for a minute...


I forgot to ask, what does our N80F needle translate to?
 
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I don't remember exactly the measurements but I think it is comparable to a HKJ or a JJJ.

I do know that all of the needles I bought were progressively leaner than the N80F needle and I started with the HFK needle.
 
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