any way to tell big bore externally?

sbeachstang

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Hi guys, a buddy of mine wants me to go look at a blaster with him that supposedly has a 240 big bore kit. The guy doesn't have paper work for the big bore kit and I'm sceptical about it. Any way to tell externally if the work has been done. Is there any difference in the way an aftermarket head looks? I've seen people claiming there mustangs to have stroker motors,and can only get an idea if it is by what balance weight the damper is. I figure there's plenty of people trying to pull the same with stroked 4 wheelers.
 
mmm suspicious. i dont think you can tell from the outside. but if its the stock barrel, it will have 195cc on the bottom of the barrel on the left i think. but if he put a 240 sleeve in that doesnt help.
 
i've heard the vito's bbk's do have that "195" stamped on them ????
/\/\ vito's owners chime in ???
any other bbk does not have the "195" stamped on it
 
Vito's kits still have the 195cc stamped on them but they come as aluminum not painted black.

La sleeve/Ct racing cylinders have 6 bolts in the reed cage instead of 4 and the airsal F7 kit has "phantom" or "F7" on the side of the jug but looks similar to a factory jug (painted black and the same number of fins and everything)

If it's a factory jug it COULD still be a 240cc kit in it. La sleeve sells a sleeve kit to go to a big bore 240cc cylinder by using the factory jug and punching it out. In that case, the only way to tell is to take a bore gauge and pop the head off and measure it. I have of those sitting on my shelf out in the garage. Says 195cm3 on the side and has the factory port layout but it's a 72mm bore.
 
The only true way to tell if it's a big bore kit (or stroker for that matter) is to take the head off and measure.

You can tell a lot about the condition of the bike by reading the reaction of the owner. I would be apprehensive about letting someone take the top end off my quad I have for sale if they're just tire kicking. You better be willing to pay the asking price if it is a big bore kit and he actually does let you take the head off.

I would have to see some cash before I'd let someone take the head off my quad. Once I proved it was what I said it was, then I would expect them to buy it immediately.

If he absolutely won't entertain the idea of you taking the head off (even you volunteer enough money to purchase a top end gasket set JUST for removing the head) then walk away, he's hiding something.
 
and dont forget a lot of people are just unknowledgable/dont know any better. He may have bought it from some other guy who told him it was a 240, and that guy bought it from another guy who told him it was a 240. And who knows, at one time someone (even the guy selling it now) might have had it bored to 67mm, which is .040" over or 1mm over stock, but people are really so confused that they will think "well, its 200cc, and the machine shop guy said now its "Forty Over" so now it must be a 240cc", when its actually 203cc or whatever, you would not believe how much stupid things like this happen.

Pretty much the safest way to buy anything with a motor is to know as much as you can yourself, then ask the seller questions about everything and see how much he knows about bikes, if he doesnt know much, you have to just look and learn for yourself because chances are if he doesnt know squat, the info he gives will be wrong. If you dont really know all that much about the bike/motors, and neither does he, then good luck, because you're taking a crap shot.

The bottom line is really the more you know, the better off you will be, and if there is no way to tell that it is a 240, and he does not have any proof that it is a 240, then he either needs to remove the head and measure it for you, or he cannot sell it as a 240, and offer him the value for a non-240 similar blaster. I would definitely ask him if he did the 240 or was he just told by the last owner it had a 240. If he was told by the last owner, I'd be careful, because he could have been duped, not to mention that would mean that he never rebuilt it since he bought it and it probably needs work.

You also have to remember that this guy may think he is telling you the truth, he may honestly believe its a 240, either because he was told it was, or he is confused, or maybe it really is a 240; the problem is that you can never really tell without looking yourself if there are no obvious ways to tell.
 
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We did get some better pics, and the head is a bare finish. It's completely missing the rear barakes, looks as it may have an aftermarket carrier, possibly widened axle,shock covers, and it has studded rear tires. Theres no paper work for the bike, and as Mosca mentioned "the owner before me did the BBK". He's kinda stiff on the price. I'm just leary on stuff after seeing what I've seen buying modified cars. I personally think he'd be better off looking at spending more money on a different bike advertised with paper work for the bike and the BBK. There is a 2004 like that right now and only asking $400 more than the 2001. I'll have him send me the pics he got so, I can post them up. Thanks for the help guys!