Alot of smoke, barely run? HELP!!!!!!

tonywayne

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Riding the other day and it started having a bad idle, sluggish low end and would not idle with the idle screw all the way in no matter where the air screw was. So later in the week I decided to clean the carb. Took it apart and blew all the jets and neddles real good with WD-40. Made sure every passage and hole was free of debry witht he wd-40 straw, nothing was cloged up. The guy I bought it from put a knn filter on and wasn’t clean, there was a lot of grit in the intake under the filter so I cleaned that and recharge my knn. I also sprayed wd-40 in the reed cage. I put everything back together and this is where my real problem started. Wouldn’t start, Turned gas off then tride to start it thinking it was flooded. Finaly got it started with the gas off then turned the gas back on as it was running. As soon as I turned the gas on it loaded up realy bad and died with a lot of white smoke. I thought ok its just flooded with wd-40 so I turned the gas off agen and it started after a few kicks but had to hold it full throttle to get it to clear out befor it would run. Turned the gas back on and it died agen. Done this repeatedly. It would start with gas off, as soon as I turned gas on it would load up realy bad and die with a lot of whit smoke. I could keep the gas shutoff valve in-between on and off and it would barley stay running with a lot of smoke. So I though “ok” I put the carb back together wrong or left something out. I took the carb back apart and looked at the carb parts breakdown to make sure I had every little part there, besides all I did was take the bowl off and the pilot and main jet, so ther wasn’t a lot for me to screw up, I even made sure I didn’t bend the floats. The carb looked good for the second time so I put it back on. Next I took out the spark plug and ofcourse it was black. So put in a new plug, Started it agen and same thing A lot of white smoke, sputter and if I turned the gas all the way on it would not stay running. I know what ur thing “ I put the carb back together wrong” but Im convinced that I didn’t, like I said all I took of was the bowl and two jets, put everything back just like it was. The carb is sealed good around the boot. I read on other threads that bad crank seals could cause probs similar to mine. But so suddenly? Oh I havnt checked the reads. I could see in there with a light and they looked ok, I could also feel with my finger. So what do I check next? Take the reeds out and inspect them could they cause this? Or possibly crank seals? Oh and it has the same gas in it when it was running ok. For sh*ts and giigles here is the specs. 2002. Fms pipe, power core 2 silincer, 28mm mikuni carb, 270 main, oil block off kit, boyesen reeds, reed spacer. Thanks for your help.
 
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Sounds exactly like your crank seal,

No matter what you shouldnt have white smoke..

Unless your topend is completly worn out or your seal is worn out

#1 .Check your compression
#2 .Change your crank seal
#3 .Check your reeds
#4 .Check your gaskets for air leaks
#5 .Check your fly wheel key
 
OK NO#1 How do i check my compression? I can push the kick start with my hand but its realy hard, and no way could I start it that way without it proly breaking my wrinst No#2 crank seal is in the mail. No#3 ill check reads real good tomarrow. No#4 What gaskets for air leaks? No#5 I know what a flywheel is but where is it on this machne and whers the key? Thanks for the help Uni. Hopefully its just the crank seals they seem easy to change. P.S. Its supost to have a new piston in it as far as the compression goes. Can the crank seals go out that fast? From one minute runnning ok to the next time i start it smokes like hell and barely runs?
 
i would try putting a 240 jet back in and see what happens. stock is 230, any idea if the needle clip position could have been changed? haev you put a new plug in and what does teh one in there now look like?
 
It came with a 270 and ran fine with that. I Tried to get to the needle clip but could not figuer out how to get to it. It should be the same unless they can slip by them selfs. Like i said nothing changing befor it started this. It ran fine befor. Yes i put a new plug in and its black. ***an update*** I opened my trany cap and it smells kinda like gas in there. Im thinking its the crank seals. But wich one would be leaking to let oil in the crank the left or right? Ill change both though. The guy i bought it from said it set for about a year, he cleaned the jets and sold it to me. I drove the heck out of it for 2 weekends and now this. So that makes since that the seals could have dried out and cracked. Right? atleast i hope. sounds like an easy fix. any links to changing them?
 
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Its your crank seals for sure man,the right side would be the little bugger you need to change. only change the left side if there is oil inside that cover.

And to answer your questions,the seal can out suddenly,mine did
 
Ok changed the seal. Started up and ran fine for a min so i though it was fixed. Then here caome the smoke agen and sh1ty running. So im thinking i messed the seal up. I greased it and tapped it in squarly with wood block and hammer. I wasnt sure wich side of the seal to go in first as it looked the same on bought sides to me. Im gonna tear it apart agen tonight and check it out. Any advice?
 
Yes i would take the cylinder off and drain the oil out the crank first,then dry it as much as i could with a towel,reassemble and let it idel for a bit,could WOT a few times but let right off.

Im sure you put the seal in correctly.

Letters facing out?
 
There is letters on both sides, both sides looked adinticle. I went out today and road the heII out of it, It would bairly go. Never did clear out. It looks like the oil level droped abit too in the sight glass. One thing i noticed is when i turned the gas off it would pick up and run ok untill it leaned out and died. Then turn gas back on and run ok untill enough gas got back in and spuder smoke agen. That keeps me wanting to think its a carb prob but i gues it just runns better when it leans out becaus of the trany oil mixed in the crank. I did check the reads and there fine, actualy installed my new vforce reads, fired it up agen but no fix. This is getting frustrating. Like you said im sure i put the seal in corectly. Im afrade im goona pull it apart agen a see nothing differant i could do.
 
well mine had the same problem.

Crank seal went bad,sucked all my oil onto my crank side,and was splashing up burning the oil and running like crap

I changed the seal and it was still running the same

I took off the cylinder and flipped my motor upside down and alot of gas/oil poored out my crank,i reinstalled with new gaskets and it runs great now.
 
Dang how long would it take to clear out if i didnt pull the head and drane it? I drove it around for about 30 minutes and nothing changed.
 
You need to check and see if you float is stuck in the carb. Most of the time it will run out of the overflow. I had that problem on my 88. The correct bowl height is 20-21.5mm.
good luck
 
sry to be rude, but... who told u to use wd40?

for next time, when u clean up ur carb, do it wit "acaroina" its almost the same as carb cleaner but better, u leave it 20-30min on a bowl wit the carb in it, water+acaroina, then u remove n air blast it, and walaa... is clean.... like new and 100% chance u wont get dirty sh*ts paste

check the spark, change it, remove carb, re clean it, all of it...


maybe the wd40 make ur neddle sticks (the pipe arround the neddle wit the spring back of it)


anyway, let us know wats happening...

good luck
 
You need to check and see if you float is stuck in the carb. Most of the time it will run out of the overflow. I had that problem on my 88. The correct bowl height is 20-21.5mm.
good luck

What do you meen bowl hight of 20-21mm? Whjere do u measure from?
 
I took the knn filter off and it ran fine. When I cleaned and oiled it i must have put to much oil on it. I cleaned the oil off and stuck it back on and it ran fine. Didnt think you could put to much oil on a knn and make it run rich. The only thing now is it bogs down an backfires in the high rpm range. Does that mean my main jet is to small or big? It had a 300 in it then i put a 270 in. The hole time i thought it was the seal, atleast it has a new one now, lol. It was the simplest thing like the filter dam. Any ideas on the boging at the end of the power band?