240 kit power ?

Josh

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how much power will this kit produce?

Vito's 72mm big bore kit with cylinder, head, piston kit, and gaskets
Trinity Racing Stage 3 Porting on cylinder
Hotrods +4mm stroker crank (head will be modified to accept stroker crank)
Trinity Racing Stage 4 full exhaust
35mm Keihin PWK carb kit with pre-jetted carb, steel braided throttle cable, polyurethane intake manifold, K&N filter, outerwear, and extra jetting
 
My best guess would be ~40 hp. It really depends on what a "stage 3" port job means (I hate monikers for port work or pretty much any performance part... they're deceptive and non-consistent) and what level of tune you're willing to run it at. If you're willing to run 110 octane fuel the level of tune on the engine and thus the horsepower figure will go up accordingly.
 
It's not necessarily like "how many HP will I gain by doing this or that?"

A very well tuned engine works like an orchestra. Each piece works in tune and rhythm with each other piece to make beautiful (in this case 2 stroke) harmony. If one instrument is out of tune most people wouldn't be able to single it out or maybe even notice but they might notice that the song isn't as crisp and clean (or in this case powerful) as one that is all working together 100%.

The analogy here is using the stock carburetor on a massive built engine. Normally, however, it's not that simply to single out one item which is the obvious deficiency.... it's more like a little thing "holding it back" here and there and they add up to the "tune" of an engine.

A vito's BBK on a stroker crank properly ported with the right pipe on pump gas will make probably ~40 hp. If you change one single thing on that it may affect that number some but it's not going to change it a whole lot.

The main thing to consider here is your intended use of this quad and your final budget. Now, half your expectations or double your budget. That's what you're actually going to get "in the real world". If you are willing to run high octane fuel in this engine, the engine builder can specifically raise your BMEP when they cut the head and you can advance your timing a bit to get some more power out of it. How much? who knows.... could be worth 2 horsepower, could be worth 10 horsepower.

To answer your question of potential power... I'm anticipating just northwards of 70 hp out of a blaster engine. That requires a LOT of concessions on the part of the rider and builder (no suspension, "bible paper thin" powerband, and potentially a lot of breakages) and also some pretty exotic (read: expensive!) fuel blends. I decided to make those concessions based on my desire to build a drag racing blaster that could be the most it could be..... what kind of concessions are you willing to make?
 
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i use my blaster all the time as my family has a farm so I ride it all the time but want a bit more power for the hills. as for the maximum tuning I have been offered a 2005 blaster without a engine for £250 so was thinking of building a drag quad. I just could not decide what engine to put in a blaster engine or a dirtbike engine. what do you think ?
 
It's not necessarily like "how many HP will I gain by doing this or that?"

A very well tuned engine works like an orchestra. Each piece works in tune and rhythm with each other piece to make beautiful (in this case 2 stroke) harmony. If one instrument is out of tune most people wouldn't be able to single it out or maybe even notice but they might notice that the song isn't as crisp and clean (or in this case powerful) as one that is all working together 100%.

The analogy here is using the stock carburetor on a massive built engine. Normally, however, it's not that simply to single out one item which is the obvious deficiency.... it's more like a little thing "holding it back" here and there and they add up to the "tune" of an engine.

A vito's BBK on a stroker crank properly ported with the right pipe on pump gas will make probably ~40 hp. If you change one single thing on that it may affect that number some but it's not going to change it a whole lot.

The main thing to consider here is your intended use of this quad and your final budget. Now, half your expectations or double your budget. That's what you're actually going to get "in the real world". If you are willing to run high octane fuel in this engine, the engine builder can specifically raise your BMEP when they cut the head and you can advance your timing a bit to get some more power out of it. How much? who knows.... could be worth 2 horsepower, could be worth 10 horsepower.

To answer your question of potential power... I'm anticipating just northwards of 70 hp out of a blaster engine. That requires a LOT of concessions on the part of the rider and builder (no suspension, "bible paper thin" powerband, and potentially a lot of breakages) and also some pretty exotic (read: expensive!) fuel blends. I decided to make those concessions based on my desire to build a drag racing blaster that could be the most it could be..... what kind of concessions are you willing to make?

damn dude lol....we should call u professor SI from now on lol

and once again this is why this guy is yellow I:I
 
Maybe so but but by the time you buy the forged piston get the head modified and port the cylinder your at the level of the la sleeve is out the box. Not to mention some people have had problems with quality of the vitos product. I would go with the la sleeve all day. All my opinion of course
 
Maybe so but but by the time you buy the forged piston get the head modified and port the cylinder your at the level of the la sleeve is out the box. Not to mention some people have had problems with quality of the vitos product. I would go with the la sleeve all day. All my opinion of course

He's getting a stroker crank. There goes the "out of the box" capacity of the LA sleeve cylinder anyway so the $300 you save by getting the vito's goes to buying a new forged piston ($150) and an even better upgraded carb (which is a better hp/dollar return IMO anyway).

You do raise a valid point about some quality issues people have had with some vito's products. Now what kind of cylinder was it that 3_wheeler_rider had which had a boyesen port bust through to the cylinder mounting stud hole? :p I know... that was CT racing's port job not necessarily LA sleeve's product!

I'm not so down on vito's products. The vast majority of their stuff does what they say it will. Whether it has the potential to put as much power as a different brand (with a now "new" heftier price tag) is debatable.
 
I haven't had any problems with vitos products either but I do have a 240 sitting on the shelf and if I wanted to run one I would still get an la sleeve.

I am curious how an out the box la topend would do with a stroker crank setp properly vs the vitos ported for the stroke...
 
I haven't had any problems with vitos products either but I do have a 240 sitting on the shelf and if I wanted to run one I would still get an la sleeve.

I am curious how an out the box la topend would do with a stroker crank setp properly vs the vitos ported for the stroke...

@ the 1st part: Your loss, a vito's 240 can put down some power too man...

@ the 2nd part: And now we get into the "debatable" area.

The LA sleeve does have the CR250 reeds and updated porting (actually the porting on the LA sleeve and the airsal kits is VERY similar from what I've seen) but again, we're not just fighting porting and air in and out... we're also fighting heat. On gasoline (and especially 93 octane) I'm not sure that a properly ported LA sleeve has a significant (read : $300-$350 worth) advantage over a vito's or even a stock cylinder sleeved with a 72mm sleeve. Shedding enough heat to keep alive becomes the main hang-up...
 
Depends on where you want to end up.... If you want to end up with the fastest over-all 2 stroke drag quad, go ahead and build a custom frame and shove about ~1.5L 4 cylinder snow-mobile engine in it. If you want the fastest piston powered drag quad, source a suzuki hayabusa 1.3L, turbo charge and spray it with nitrous oxide. If you want the absolute fastest drag quad, build a gas turbine or rocket powered model.

If you want the "faster blaster" you're stuck with cooling fins. I can tell you though, the discussion about heat is mute if you're only drag racing. Exotic fuel blends (methanol, nitro methane, ethanol, and even solvents {acetone, MEK, toulene} extract a lot more latent heat when they vaporize resulting in INVALUABLE chemical cooling. In the case of a fully built drag racing blaster, heat isn't such an issue and the LA sleeve top end will dominate as it has more theoretical flow capacity (due simply to the port layout and the CR250 reeds).
 
the problem with using a blaster engine in it is there is not alot of them about in the uk but there is loads of 2 stroke bike engines. I would not have any problem with modding the frame to take the engine and make new front end and swing arm. but could do with some ideas on what engine to use and what to do to the frame.
 
The swingarm bushings are too wide so the swingarm tube has to be cut down, the motor mounts have to be manufactured, and everything has to be lined up perfectly.

The biggest headache with a swap BY FAR is getting the pipe right. There are two options. Fit the pipe around the frame (requires VERY careful cutting and re-welding) or fit the frame around the pipe (requires some careful engineering to not lose strength in the frame)