If you are just wanting a better ride and stance , on a +4 swinger , the lower mount is in the stock position , no change to the upper mount . Check out some of the threads in the suspension section , you'll learn everything you want to know , If you like what you see and it helps you out , maybe help out the forum and become a supporting member . Ten bux a year is hella cheap for all the expertise and resources you will find here . Plus it allows you to score cool deals in the marketplace section.