stroke demystified

phragle

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the blaster motor is way out of square, this limits the power you can get out of it. try and understand this if you can


consider this, the stock 250r motor is pretty strong, the la sleeve blaster cylinders have for the most part better 250r port layouts... the blaster bore and stroke is 66 x57 and is 195 cc the 250r is 66 x 72 for 246 cc. your just not going to add 15 mm to the stroke of a blaster.

there is a term used in motors called "square" this is when a motor has the same bore as stroke, say 66x66 this is the most balanced combination.

longer stroke favors a lower reving torquier motor, while shorter stroke will produce a higher reving peak hp motor.

the 240 kit, while capable of producing more power puts the motor so far out of balance that it has its limitation, due to the mass of the piston changing direction and short rd deflection angle etc.

ideally, if one were to use the ct/la sleve 200cc aftermarket cylinder with the honda style porting (reported for application), and a +4 or 6 crank with a significantly longer rod coupled with a button flywheel ignition a much better advance curve, and custom pipe, you could spin the blaster motor 10~1100 rpm and make some SERIOUS power.

a typical 125 mx bike has a bore of 54mm and a stroke of 54.5 mm, 125's make around 35 hp stock, and rev to the moon but you have to be in the revs to make the power.

Now consider the blaster at 66x57, thats basically a 250r piston stuck on a 125 ( actually a 66.5 mm piston (2nd bore) on a 54.5mm 125 bottom end would be 189 cc's) thats 6 cc's different than a 125 and 51cc's different than a 250r... that should put things in better perspective. now if you have ever seen a 125 piston, its pretty small, the blaster piston is a LOT bigger, i cant find the weigt specifics with a quick seach but you are probably doubling the mass, thats a lot more weight switching direction 8000~10000 times a minute. add in the 72 mm 240 piston and it gets even worse.

By building the motor closer to square by leaving the bore alone and increasing the stroke as much as possible with a longer rod to reduce deflection you make the downwards power stroke much more powerfull, and decrease the effect of a big chunck of alum switching directions.

this type of motor will rev higher and provide the best balance of low end and top end while significantly increasing top end due to the 2000 extra rpms you can gain.

To put that in realistic terms:
with stock tires/gearing at 7500 rpm the blaster goes 52.2 mph

with stock tires and gearing at 10000 rpm the blaster would go 69.5 mph

now change the counterhsaft sprocket to a 14.. @10000rpm your doing 75 mph

125's run mid 30's hp numbers @11500 rpm or so, with a longer stroke and bigger bore, say 63x66 if you can get it to spin to 9500~10,000 you would be seriously trucking

the real trick would be getting a 65 mm bore, that would keep legal in the 200 class with major power.

imagine kicking ass on all your buddies with big bore kits, and you have a kit making your bore SMALLER than stock.


Im not an engine guy, suspension is my thing, so these are just ideas
 
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that makes some sense to me. I know I have heard about motor being squared before. my dad often talked about things like that, but I was a lot younger and less willing to list then. how years change a persons perspective on things :)
 
An "over square" engine will rev higher than a "square" engine, piston speed (swept area) is greater for a longer stroke, piston traveled distance is greater for a longer stroke at the same RPM.
Connecting rod length also has allot to do with RPM capability, a longer rod will accelerate and decelerate the piston more evenly than a short rod will (you want the LONGEST rod you can get!)
And bore and stroke have SQUAT! to do with engine balance, a proper engine build will include "balancing".
 
unless you are using the term 'balance' to mean that the bore and stroke are in a more favorable relationship..i.e. 66X66 is in proportional balance thus 63 x 66 is proportionally more balanced than 72 x 57.

the balance you are referring to refers to the mass distribution of a reciprocating or multiple reciprocating objects causing harmonic oscillation
 
phrag...... i understand what you said... completely makse sence!!! would this besimmaler to say.. de stroking a small block chevy v8 for the revs and power gains done by doing that?? im guessin.. in my head its the same concept
 
intresting, so in theory a ported and stroked motor can make more power than a ported/stroked/bored motor? now if you could put vetos 12 port design into a stock bore...
 
the formula 1 cars have motors about as small as alot of v6 motors in most cars but pump out major hp. but they like rev to the moon thou to do it, super charging probably doesn't hurt either :)
 
I had an it490 motor in the red one for a while, after almost breaking my leg trying to start it, my friends bitching about my bike throwing grapefruit sized rocks 30 feet behind me, and my feet going so numb I couldn't tell if my feet were on the pegs anymore... I gave up. but damn it was wicked4th gear 60 mph and bower wheelie at will.
 
good info but theres too many non square motors that make big power to say its ideal on every application,look at a banshee ,has a 64 mm bore and a 54 mm stroke it can triple its stock power to 100 horses its way out of square ,but its a parallal twin which i suppose isnt a fair comparison .a blaster with a 6mm stroke would get it very close to square but everyone who knows about porting know the 6mills strokers suck for power,a balance is important but theres non -squarish designs that exceed their square counterparts ,a long stroke compared to the bore is often ideal too ,alot of square motors are big singles that cant rev high due to the high rotational mass limitations ..and alot of big bores like the blaster72mm need extra transfer area to be best and thats a big roadblock often is the avaialbe crankcase volume not so much the relationship to the stroke and bore that chokes them up
 
I truly think my long stroke is what keeps my motor out of the hi-rev range.
I can't wait to see what the Flotek drag port will do for it B-)
Denny you comming to Busco?
 
hmmmm...my thinking is/was that getting it closer to square, you would get a better spread of power, you would still by a little short on stroke, but you could develope a lot more torque to pull bigger gears..my biggest problem has always been getting over the 'hump' in 6th with the tall gearing I run.