chris I know what you mean it is cheaper to ride than play paintball forsure,,, i played before you did though, I had one of the original F5 cocker from sandridge which is not that far from me, Played a great game against them in a local tourny and they cut me a great deal on their new electric cocker which was unheard of back then, the ONLY electric gun out back then was just the original plain ol Angle, I still play every blue moon though, I played with an intimidator mabey 2 or 3 years ago now every thing went electronic, I had one of the original proto types for an eye also after haveing it for some time I had noticed chopping problems Rich from sandridge and some other guys had also and so they took and come up with the first eye's for them "which made the big box on the bottom bigger" but it helped alot, now its standard stuff any way.... good times "the place i played was action park, and I helped start GroundFire and have played some ICC with farside